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The following records the suggestions of the interesting genealogical database at www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/. It provides an alternative ancestry for the Talbot and Lacy families. Talbot01 Lacy01

Lesire Talbot of Battlesden, Bedfordshire b c980

William Talbot of Battlesden b 1025

m Basilia de Falaise dau of Gilbert d'Evreux being apparently the same person as Gerard de Fleitel

Sir Richard Talbot of Battlesden b 1045

m1 Aimee d'Aubigny dau of Guillaume d'Aubigny de Contentin by Adelicia de Plessis

Sir Hugh Talbot of Shrewsbury

This appears to be the Hugh, shown on Talbot01 as married to Beatrix Mandeville, who was ancestor of many Talbot families, including the Earls of Shrewsbury. The celtic-casimir site shows an earlier marriage for Hugh to ...

m1 Emma de Lacy dau of Walter de Lacy by Emeline

Gilbert de Lacy of Hereford a 1163

This appears to be the Gilbert who was ancestor of the Lacis of Meath, etc., reported on Lacy01.

m2 Beatrix de Mandeville, 'Countess of Essex'

m2 Gunnora de Gournay dau of Sir Gerald de Gournay

ii.

Sir Geoffrey Talbot of Swanscombe

This appears to be the Geoffrey, shown on Talbot01 as married to Agnes de Lacy, who had a son Geoffrey and a daughter Sybil. The celtic-casimir site shows the following descendants for another son, William.

m Agnes de Lacy dau of Walter de Lacy

William Talbot of Gainsborough, Lincolnshire b c1120

Sir Robert Quintin Talbot of Gainsborough d before 1195

The celtic-casimir site identifies Robert's wife only as Ermentrude. It appears that she was ...

m Ermentrude de Ferrers dau of Robert de Ferrers of Eggington

Ermentrude Talbot

m Henry FitzGerold of Deddington & Kingston

unrelated to the above was:

Roger le Savage of Bobbing Court, Kent d 1311
m Clarice de la Warre dau of Roger de la Warre by Clarice le Tregoz

Arnold Savage of Bobbing Court, Sheriff of Kent d 1356
m Margerie Poynings

Sir Arnold Savage of Bobbing Court, Sheriff of Kent b c 1365 d 29.11.1410
m 1388 Joan Etchingham b c 1370 dau of->

+1 William Etchingham

Arnold Savage of Bobbing Court dsp 25.03.1420
m Katherine Scales

ii.

Elizabeth Savage d 1451
m1 Reginald Cobham d 31.10.1405

-1+ 2 sons dvpsp
-3 Sir Thomas Cobham, de jure 5th Lord of Rundale b 1397, d before 1429

-3-1 Elizabeth Cobham possibly the Elizabeth who married ...
m John Seymour

-3-1-1 Sir Thomas Seymour a 1488
m Philippa Hungerford dau of Sir Edward Hungerford

-3-1-1-1 John Seymour of Rode dvp

-3-1-1-1-1 William Seymour or St. Maur
-3-1-1-1-2 Anne Seymour m Robert Stawell
-3-1-1-1-3 Margaret Seymour m William Bampfylde

-3-1-1-1-1-1 Joane Seymour dsp 1517 m Sir William not Robert Drury of Hawstead d 1557

m2 William Clifford

-1 Lewis Clifford of Bobbing Court had issue, The following needs verification
m Anne dau of Lord Molynes

-1-1 Sir Alexander Clifford of Bobbing Court
m Margaret Colepeper dau of Walter Colepeper

-1-1-1 Lewis Clifford, Sheriff of Kent
m Mildred Bourne dau of Bartholomew Bourne of Sharstead

-1-1-1-1 Nicholas Clifford of Holme and Chart

-1-1-1-1-1 Elizabeth Clifford d 30.11.1581, co-heir
m1 Sir William Brabazon d 09.07.1552, Lord Justice in Ireland
m2 Capt Christopher Blount /td>

Sources:
1 various web sites
2 TSP Rutherfurd
3 www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/
4 www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/
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Change the two party system
so people against something like abortion
but for something like environmental protection never again get bigger and badder storms
and two bankrupting wars instead.