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| There are many versions for the ancestry of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia, whose daughters, either confirmed or alleged, appear in many ancestries. The following seems a likely guestimate but certainly needs verification. | |||||||||||||||
| Me32 =33 =34 =35. Leofric | |||||||||||||||
| Me31 =32 =33 =34. | Edulph
m Elfwine dau of Ethelred, Ealderman of Mercia |
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| Me30 =31 =32 =33 | Leofwine
m Alwara (dau of Athelstan Mannesson) |
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| Me29 =30 =31 =32. | Leofric, Earl of Mercia (d 31.08.1057)
m. Godgifu, 'Lady Godiva' d 1067, sister of Thorold, Sheriff of Lincoln |
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| Me8 =29 =30 =31 | Aelfgar (Algar), Earl of Mercia d 1059
m Aelfgifu Some web sites indicate that Aelgifu was daughter of Ethelred 'the Unready', King of England. That is unlikely mainly because that is not mentioned in any of the 'reliable' sources (the Aelgifu/Elgiva who was King Ethelred's daughter is reported as having married only once, to Uchtred, Earl of Bernicia) whilst the dates indicate that Princess Aelgifu was a generation earlier than Aelfgar (Uchtred died in 1016). |
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| Me27-1 | Edwin | ||||||||||||||
| Me27-2 | Mocar | ||||||||||||||
| Me27 =28 =29 =30 | Ealdgyth (d after 1070)
m1 Gruffydd, Prince of Deheubarth (d 1063) |
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| m2 c 1064 Harold II, King of England (b c1022, d Battle 14.10.1066) | |||||||||||||||
| Many web sites report the widely-held view that another daughter of Earl Aelfgar was Lucy who m1 Ivo Taillebois m2 Roger FitzGerold m3 Ranulph de Meschines, 1st Earl of Chester. Whilst it appears that the matter is by no means clear, we show her as daughter of Thorold (Turold) of Bucknell, Sheriff of Lincolnshire, by a daughter of William de Malet. | |||||||||||||||
| Collins (1741, vol 3, Temple, Viscount Cobham) reports the following brothers of Earl Algar. | |||||||||||||||
| Me28-2. | Montgomery | ||||||||||||||
| Me28-3. | William de Temple (a 1066) | ||||||||||||||
| Me29-2. | Edwin of Mercia (d 1039) | ||||||||||||||
| Me29-2-1 | Ealdgyth
m1. Edmund II 'Ironside', King of England (d 1016) |
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| m2 (?) Outred or Uchtred of Atiscross |
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following connections are shown here for the moment (at least) whilst Ivo
Taillebois is investigated further. His ancestry appears to be one of the
most inconsistently reported on the Internet. Not helped by the confusion
over the identity of his wife Lucy, as mentioned just above, he is variously
described as:
(1) brother (possibly illegitimate) of a Count of Anjou. This is probably the most common description (which is supported by BE1883 in its article on the Lancaster family). Where the Count is named, most sources give his name as Fulk - normally (as in BE1883) without specifying which Fulk but sometimes specifying one whose dates are obviously incompatible. The only Fulks (indeed the only Counts of Anjou) whose dates would reasonably work for Ivo appear to be Fulk III 'the Black' (c956-1040), but only if he was illegitimate, and possibly (given the uncertainty on Ivo's dates) Fulk IV 'le Rechin' (1043-1109). An interesting variation to this theme is that he was not a son but a grandson of a Count of Anjou, being grandson of Fulk III 'the Black' through his daughter Adele, by Bodon (Eudes) de Nevers. (2) an illegitimate son of Richard III, Duke of Normandy. (3) son of an unidentified Richard FitzGerold. Some of the sources that report this give Ivo a family name of FitzRichard de Roumare. This is questionable because it appears to assume a connection with Roger FitzGerold of Roumare even though that Roger was of the same generation as Ivo (as shown by the fact that Roger married Ivo's widow, Lucy - see above) and so any descent from a Gerold of Roumare would be very unlikely to be through an intervening generation (Richard). (4) "nephew of the Conqueror". (5) a son (possibly illegitimate) of either Gilbert (Gislebert), Count of Brienne (1000-1040) or Gilbert Crispin de Bec, who are frequently confused with each other. The former would make Ivo a second cousin of the Conqueror. The latter seems unlikely because Ivo's wife Lucy appears to have been Gilbert Crispin's great-granddaughter as Gilbert's daughter Hesilia married William (or Robert) Malet, apparently the father of Lucy's uncle Robert of Eye (see note under Lucy on 'Malet1') as well as possibly father of Lucy's mother (Beatrice?). 
Malet1'). At least one web site states that he died without issue and that his title and estates went to a brother called Gerard. However, the general consensus is that he did have surviving children who themselves had children. One of the uncertainties concerning his children is that, whilst many sites report him as father of Eldred (ancestor of the family of Lancaster) and some show him as father of Aelfred (ancestor of the family of Radcliffe), very few show both at the same time. |
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| Ivo de Taillebois, Sheriff of Lincoln, lord of Kendal b c 1020, d c 1094 §T§ | |||||||||||||||
| Ivo was progenitor of many families. But neither is his ancestry certain, as reported just above, nor have his marriages been fully confirmed. http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/prosopon/issue2-2.pdf (which was kindly brought to our attention by a site visitor, TG, 07.01.05) identifies only Beatrix as offspring of the marriage to Lucy and draws attention to the fact that Lucy's inheritance passed to her sons by her second & third marriages and not to any son by her (first) marriage to Ivo. | |||||||||||||||
| m1 Gundred | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Aelfred de Tailbois 'the Englishman' (b c1045) |
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| Some sources suggest that Aelfred was the same person as Eldred of Workington, lord of Kendal. | |||||||||||||||
| 2. | Matilda Taillebois possibly dau of Ivo, if so then probably
of this marriage
m. Hugh de Beauchamp (a 1066) |
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| m2. Lucy (dau of either Algar, Earl of Mercia, or Thorold, Sheriff of Lincoln) | |||||||||||||||
| 3. | Beatrix de Taillebois . . . Y
m1 Ethelred Some sources suggest that Ethelred was the same person as Eldred of Workington, lord of Kendal. |
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| m2. Ribald of Middleham . . . Y | |||||||||||||||
Sources: various web sites
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