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John de Somery | |||||||||||||||
m Hawise Paynel dau of Ralph Paynel of Dudley | |||||||||||||||
1. | Sir Ralph de Somery of Dudley d c1211 | ||||||||||||||
TCP Berkeley reports that, although Ralph is often described as Lord of Campden, it was his son Roger who obtained Campden through his 1st marriage. | |||||||||||||||
m Margaret dau of John FitzGilbert Mareschal | |||||||||||||||
A. | Ralph de Somery d before 1220 | ||||||||||||||
m Ida Plantagenet b after 1198, dau of William Plantagenet, 'Longespee', 1st Earl of Salisbury | |||||||||||||||
?1 | Mabel de SOMERY b about 1215 possibly of this branch and generation
m Su24-2 Walter de Sully b 1215 in Sully, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales d 1285 son of Sir Raymond de SULLY bro of Sibyl de SULLY |
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B. | William Perceval de Somery d before 20.06.1222 | ||||||||||||||
i. | Nicholas de Somery d young before 04.07.1229 | ||||||||||||||
C. | Roger de Somery of Dudley d by 26.08.1273 | ||||||||||||||
m1 Nichole D'Albini dau of William de Albini, Earl of Sussex, 3rd Earl of Arundel | |||||||||||||||
i. | Ralph de Somery dvp by 1253 | ||||||||||||||
ii. | Margaret de Somery a 1293 | ||||||||||||||
TCP Basset of Drayton reports that this Margaret has been wrongly identified by Dugdale and others as the Margaret who married Urian de St. Pierre and then 1295 Ralph Basset of Sapcote. | |||||||||||||||
m1 Ralph Basset of Drayton b 1227, d Evesham 04.08.1265 | |||||||||||||||
m2 before 26.01.1270/1 Ralph de Cromwell of Cromwell d before 18.09.1289 | |||||||||||||||
m2 c1254 Amabil de Chaucombe dau of Robert de Chaucombe | |||||||||||||||
iii. | Roger de Somery of Dudley b 24.06.1255, d by 11.10.1291 | ||||||||||||||
m Agnes d by 23.11.1308 | |||||||||||||||
a. | John de Somery, Lord b 03.1279/80, d 1322 | ||||||||||||||
m Lucy d before 1342 | |||||||||||||||
b. | Margaret de Somery | ||||||||||||||
m John de Sutton, later of Dudley | |||||||||||||||
c. | Joan de Somery | ||||||||||||||
m Thomas de Botetourt | |||||||||||||||
B. | Joan de Somery a 1273 |
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m c1217 Thomas de Berkeley of Berkeley Castle b c1170, d 29.11.1243 |
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Simon de Steyngreve | |||||||||||||||
m Beatrice Foliot dau of Jordan Foliot of Frisby | |||||||||||||||
www.geneajourney.com: Beatrice's father may have been the same person as Sir Jordan Foliot, Lord of Gressenhall. TCP shows Beatrice as heir of her father but Sir Jordan of Gressenhall had a successor son. Furthermore, Frisby is in Lincolnshire but TCP Foliot, which mentions many manors and their counties, does not mention any in Lincolnshire. Reconciliation would require different mothers and some of the estates to have been on the maternal lines and hence excluded from the male line in favor of the daughter of that wife. | |||||||||||||||
1. | William de Steyngreve or Stonegrave | ||||||||||||||
2. | Piers de Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave d by 1267-8 | ||||||||||||||
3. | Sir John de Steyngreve or Stonegrave of Stonegrave d before 25.04.1295 | ||||||||||||||
m before 1273 Ida Wake dau of Baldwin Wake of Bourne and Liddell | |||||||||||||||
A. | Isabel de Steyngrave d by 1324 |
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m1 after 01.1286/7 Simon de Pateshulle of Bletsoe d before 02.12.1295 |
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m2 Walter de Teye | |||||||||||||||
?? de St. Amand | |||||||||||||||
m ?? de Verdun dau of Walter de Verdun, Sheriff of Essex and Herfordshire were probably parents of ... | |||||||||||||||
1. | Amauri or Almaric de St. Amand, Sheriff of Herefordshire d 1240 | ||||||||||||||
m1 ?? | |||||||||||||||
m2 Iseult Pantulf dau of William Pantulf of Breedon | |||||||||||||||
Not known which wife was mother of ... | |||||||||||||||
A. | Ralph de St. Amand d before 28.07.1245 | ||||||||||||||
m 06.1234 Asceline dau of Robert, son of Robert Daubeney or de Albini of Caynho | |||||||||||||||
i. | Amauri or Almaric de St. Amand d 1285 | ||||||||||||||
a. | Guy de St. Amand b c1268, dsp before 28.10.1827 | ||||||||||||||
m Lucy | |||||||||||||||
b. | Amauri de St. Amand, Mayor of Bordeaux, Lord St. Amand b 03.1268/9, dsp 29.07.1310 | ||||||||||||||
m Mary d before 11.04.1333 | |||||||||||||||
c. | John de St. Amand, 1st Lord d before 25.01.1329/30 | ||||||||||||||
m c12.1313 Margaret Despenser dau of Hugh le Despenser, Earl of Winchester | |||||||||||||||
1 | Amauri de St. Amand, 2nd Lord b c1314, d 11.09.1381 | ||||||||||||||
m Eleanor | |||||||||||||||
A | Amauri de St. Amand, 3rd Lord b c1341, d 13.06.1402 | ||||||||||||||
m1 by 02.1368/9 Ida a 1387 | |||||||||||||||
i | Sir Amauri de St. Amand dvpsp 1401 | ||||||||||||||
m Joan | |||||||||||||||
ii | John de St. Amand dvpsp | ||||||||||||||
iii | Eleanor de St. Amand d 24.12.1389 | ||||||||||||||
m Sir Gerard de Braybrooke d 1429 | |||||||||||||||
One of their grandsons became the 1st Beauchamp Lord St. Amand. | |||||||||||||||
m2 c1390 Eleanor Lavynton d 17.05.1426, dau of Richard Lavynton of St. Elen? | |||||||||||||||
iv | Ida de St. Amand b 06.05.1392, d before 06.11.1416 | ||||||||||||||
m before 02.07.1406 Sir Thomas West, 2nd Lord b 1392, dsp 30.09.1416 | |||||||||||||||
d. | Hawise de St. Amand | ||||||||||||||
m c1270 Simon de Montacute d 1315 | |||||||||||||||
e. | Eleanor de St. Amand | ||||||||||||||
m Robert de Kaynes | |||||||||||||||
f. | Thomas de St. Amand | ||||||||||||||
ii. | Margery de St. Amand d 1308probably of this generation | ||||||||||||||
m Sir Phillip Fettiplace d 1302 | |||||||||||||||
2.+ | other issue - William, Guy | ||||||||||||||
John Shorter of Staines, Middlesex d by 1614 | |||||||||||||||
m Elizabeth | |||||||||||||||
1. | William Shorter of Colebrook | ||||||||||||||
A. | William Shorter | ||||||||||||||
2. | John Shorter of Staines | ||||||||||||||
m Susan Forbis dau of Richard Forbis alias Forbanch of Send | |||||||||||||||
A. | Richard Shorter of St. George's in Southwark b c1606, a 1674 | ||||||||||||||
m Mary Whiting of Stanwell | |||||||||||||||
i. | Charles Shorter b c1653, a 1674 | ||||||||||||||
B. | Sir John Shorter of Christ Church in Southwark, Sheriff then Lord Mayor of London b c1624, d 04.09.1688 | ||||||||||||||
m Isabella Birkin b 1630-1, d 01.1703, dau of John Birkin of Crosthwaite in Borrowdale | |||||||||||||||
i. | John Shorter of Bybrook, Kent b c1660, a 1688 | ||||||||||||||
m c 07.1681 Elizabeth Philipps b 1661-2, bur 30.07.1728, dau of Sir Erasmus Philipps, Bart | |||||||||||||||
a. | Katherine Shorter b c1682, d 20.08.1737 | ||||||||||||||
m 1700 Sir Robert Walpole, Prime Minister, 1st Earl of Orford b 26.08.1676, d 18.03.1745 | |||||||||||||||
b. | Charlotte Shorter d 12.02.1733-4 | ||||||||||||||
m 07.1716 Francis Seymour-Conway, 1st Lord Conway b 28.05.1679, d 03.02.1731-2 | |||||||||||||||
c.+ | other issue - John a 1718, dsp, Arthur d unm 1753, Erasmus dsp 23.11.1753 | ||||||||||||||
ii. | Thomas Shorter a 1688 | ||||||||||||||
C. | Charles Shorter of St. Saviour's in Southwark a 1688 | ||||||||||||||
m Susan Theobald dau of Peter Theobald of Canterbury | |||||||||||||||
i.+ | issue - John a 1688, Charles, Peter, William, Joshua, Caleb, Mary, Hannah a 1688 | ||||||||||||||
3. | Elizabeth Shorter | ||||||||||||||
m c03.1614 William Walton of Staines cordwainer |
ources:
1 TCP Somery
2 TCP Steyngreve + www.geneajourney.com
3 TCP Saint Amand, BE1883 St. Amand
4 Visitation London, 1664, Shorter
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