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BP1934 reports that the first ancestor of this family to come to Scotland, who did so accompanying King David I who r. 1124-1153, was Sir Walter de Lindissi, father not elder brother as shown below of William. BP2003 adds that Sir Walter was son of Gilbert de Ghent. We provisionally keep to showing what was reported by 'Lives of the Lindsays' but will probably revise this in the future not least because we suspect that 'Lives of the Lindsays' has been subject to some confusion between the families of Limesay & Lindsay and we are suspicious about the connection shown through the following Baldric to the de Toeni family and thence to the early Normans. However, we are also a bit suspicious about the recently-emerged claim that Walter was son of 'Gilbert de Ghent' not least in case there has been confusion with Walter, son of Gilbert de Gaunt and father of the Earl of Lincoln. | ||||||||||||||||||
Baldric de Lindsay a 1086 | ||||||||||||||||||
1. | Walter de Lindissi or Lindsay a 1116 | |||||||||||||||||
2. | William Lindsay of Ercildun a 1147 | |||||||||||||||||
A. | Walter de Lindsay of Ercildum a 1150 | |||||||||||||||||
TSP starts with this Walter but mentions there being a Baldric de Lindesay a 1086 albeit without suggesting that he was Walter's grandfather. There are some differences between TSP and BP1934 on the next three or so generations. We broadly follow the latter since it agrees with "Lives of the Lindsays" but include some detail provided by TSP and 'Mathematical' not in the others. | ||||||||||||||||||
i. | Sir William de Lindsay of Ercildum and Crawford, Baron of Luffness, Justiciar b c1148, d c1200 | |||||||||||||||||
TSP reports that William married twice, the first unknown being mother of Walter and the second Alienora de Limesi being mother of David & William. | ||||||||||||||||||
m c1174 Aleanora dau of Gerard, Lord of Limesay, by Amicia de Bidun | ||||||||||||||||||
a. | Sir David de Lindsay of Crawford, Justiciar d 1214 | |||||||||||||||||
m Marjory of the Royal family | ||||||||||||||||||
1 | David de Lindsay of Crawford & Limesay, Justiciar d 1241 | |||||||||||||||||
m Christina m2. Sir Robert de Pinkeney | ||||||||||||||||||
2 | Gerard de Lindsay of Crawford dsp 1249 | |||||||||||||||||
3 | William de Lindsay, Chancellor of Scotland, Dean of Glasgow dsp | |||||||||||||||||
4 | Walter de Lindsay | |||||||||||||||||
Reported by BP1934 to have dsp but by TSP to have had issue by ... | ||||||||||||||||||
m Christian Huse | ||||||||||||||||||
5 | Alice de Lindsay, heiress | |||||||||||||||||
m Sir Henry de Pinckney or Pinkeney of Weldon Pinkeney | ||||||||||||||||||
b. | Sir Walter de Lindsay, Constable of Berwick, Justiciar, lord of Lamberton d 1221 | |||||||||||||||||
m ?? m2. P. de Valance | ||||||||||||||||||
1 | Sir William de Lindsay of Lamberton d c1247 | |||||||||||||||||
m c1220 Alice de Lancaster of Windermere dau of William de Lancaster, Lord of Kendal, by Agnes de Brus | ||||||||||||||||||
A | Walter de Lindsay of Lamberton and Molesworth d 1271 | |||||||||||||||||
m Christian | ||||||||||||||||||
i | Walter or William de Lindsay of Lamberton b 24.06.1250, d 1282-3
m 1266 Ada Baliol sister of King John Baliol |
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a | Christiana de Lindsay b c1266, d 1335
m Ingelgram Enguerrand V de Guines, Sire de Coucy b c1243, d after 1321 |
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b | Margaret Lindsay b 1269 Kilmarnock Ayrshire
m William Mure b 1265 Rowallan Castle Kilmarnock Ayrshire d 1348 Kilmarnock Ayrshire son of Archibald Mure and Margaret de Montgomery |
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b-1 | Adam More b 1290 Kilmarnock Ayrshire
m Joanna/Janet Dsnzielstour b 1275 Kilmarnock Ayrshire dau of Robert Danielston |
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107. i. Elizabeth More b 1320 Kilmarnock Ayrshire d 1355 Renfrewshire | ||||||||||||||||||
b-1-2 | 108. ii. Agnes Mure b 1325 Ayrshire d by 1357 | |||||||||||||||||
b-2-2 | Reynold Mure b 1291 Rowallan Ayrshire | |||||||||||||||||
c | James Lindsay b 1269 Mordington Berwickshire | -1 John Lindsay b 1323, Kilmarnock Ayrshire m Margaret Wallace b 1322 | ||||||||||||||||
ii | Gilbert de Lindsay of Molesworth | |||||||||||||||||
iii | Walter de Lindsay of Parva Lamberton probably ancestor of Lindsays of Thurston | |||||||||||||||||
iv | Margaret de Lindsay |
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m Sir David de Lindsay of Luffness, Regent, High Chamberlain d 1268see below |
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v | Alicia de Lindsay | |||||||||||||||||
m John Comyn of Badenoch and Tynedale | ||||||||||||||||||
B | John de Lindsay, Bishop of Glasgow | |||||||||||||||||
c. | Sir William de Lindsay of Luffness b c1182, a 1236 | |||||||||||||||||
m Avice de Lancaster dau of Gilbert FitzReindfride | ||||||||||||||||||
1 | Sir David de Lindsay of Luffness a 1249 | |||||||||||||||||
m c1220 ?? Crawford dau of Sir John Crawford of Crawfordjohn | ||||||||||||||||||
A | Sir David de Lindsay of Luffness, Regent, High Chamberlain d 1268 | |||||||||||||||||
m Margaret de Lindsay dau of Walter de Lindsay, Lord of Lamberton and Molesworth@@ above | ||||||||||||||||||
i | Sir Alexander de Lindsay of Crawford d 1307 | |||||||||||||||||
m ?? Stewart dau of Alexander Stewart, 4th High Steward of Scotland | ||||||||||||||||||
a | Sir David de Lindsay of Crawford d before 13.10.1357 §D | |||||||||||||||||
m1 1324 Maria Abernethy dau of Sir Alexander de Abernethy | ||||||||||||||||||
1 | David de Lindsay d Durham = Neville's Cross | |||||||||||||||||
2 | Sir James Lindsay of Crawford d 1358 | |||||||||||||||||
m Egidia Stewart d by 06.1406, dau of Walter Stewart, 6th High Stewart of Scotland | ||||||||||||||||||
A | Sir James Lindsay of Crawford d 1397 | |||||||||||||||||
m Margaret Keith dau of Sir William Keith, Marischal | ||||||||||||||||||
i | Margaret Lindsay |
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m Sir Thomas Colville of Oxenham d before 04.02.1402-3 |
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ii | Eufemia Lindsay |
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m Sir John Herries of Terregles d 27.03.1420 |
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B | Elizabeth or Isabel Lindsay |
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TSP shows 2 daughters, Isabel m. Sir John de Maxwell and Elizabeth m. Sir Henry de Prestoun. BP1934 suggests they were the same person. | ||||||||||||||||||
m1 Sir John Maxwell of Pollok |
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m2 Sir Henry de Prestoun | ||||||||||||||||||
3 | Sir Alexander Lindsay of Glenesk d 10.1381 | |||||||||||||||||
m1 Catherine Stirling dau of Sir John Stirling of Glenesk | ||||||||||||||||||
A | David Lindsay of Glenesk, 1st Earl of Crawford b c1360, d 02.1407 |
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m Katherine Stewart dau of King Robert II of Scots |
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B | Sir Alexander Lindsay of Baltrody d before 05.1398 | |||||||||||||||||
C | daughter |
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m David Stewart, Earl of Strathearn d before 05.03.1389/90 |
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m2 Marjory Stewart d 1438, dau of Sir John Stewart of Ralston, niece of King Robert II | ||||||||||||||||||
D | Sir William Lindsay of Rossie and Logie, later of Crambeth b c1350, d before 1438 | |||||||||||||||||
m1 c1376 the heiress of Crambeth / Elizabeth | ||||||||||||||||||
m2 Matilda Stewart d 1485 | ||||||||||||||||||
E | Sir Walter Lindsay of Kynnef d Verneuil 1424 | |||||||||||||||||
m Katherine m2. Walter Dempster | ||||||||||||||||||
i | Walter Lindsay dspms | |||||||||||||||||
F | Euphemia Lindsay | |||||||||||||||||
partner unknown | ||||||||||||||||||
G | John Lindsay | |||||||||||||||||
4 | Sir William Lindsay of Abercorn and the Byres d before 01.07.1393 |
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m Christian Mure dau of Sir William Mure of Abercorn |
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5 | daughter mother of Sir Alexander de Ramsay | |||||||||||||||||
m _ Ramsay | ||||||||||||||||||
b | Sir Alexander de Lindsay possibly ancestor of Lindsay of Ormiston | |||||||||||||||||
c | Beatrix de Lindsay d before 1352 |
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m1 Sir Archibald Douglas of Liddesdale, Cavers, etc. Regent of Scotland, b c1297, d Halidon Hill 19.07.1333 |
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m2 after 07.1335 Sir Robert Erskine of that ilk d 1385, Chamberlain, Ambassador |
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d+ | other issue - Reginald, William d by 01.1339, rector of Ayr, Chamberlain of Scotland | |||||||||||||||||
ii | Sir William de Lindsay of Symington or Symontoun | |||||||||||||||||
m1 Alicia Lockhart | ||||||||||||||||||
m2 Margaret or Mary Comyn, Countess of Buchan | ||||||||||||||||||
iii | Sir Duncan de Lindsay | |||||||||||||||||
B | Sir John de Lindsay, Lord Chamberlain | |||||||||||||||||
m Dyonysia Beneyt dau of Alexander Beneyt or Bene in Northumberland | ||||||||||||||||||
i | Sir Philip de Lindsay | |||||||||||||||||
ii | Sir Simon de Lindsay ancestor of Lindsays of Wanchopdale | |||||||||||||||||
2 | William Lindsay, 1st of Craigie | |||||||||||||||||
A | Walter Lindsay, 2nd of Craigie | |||||||||||||||||
i | Sir James Lindsay, 3rd of Craigie | |||||||||||||||||
a | Sir John Lindsay, 4th of Craigie | |||||||||||||||||
1 | Margaret Lindsay |
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m John ? Wallace of Riccarton |
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b | John Lindsay, 1st of Dunrod a 1360 | |||||||||||||||||
1 | John Lindsay, 2nd of Dunrod a 1384 | |||||||||||||||||
A | John Lindsay, 3rd of Dunrod a 1429, 1467 | |||||||||||||||||
i | Alexander Lindsay, 4th of Dunrod a 1471, 1495 | |||||||||||||||||
a | John Lindsay dvp | |||||||||||||||||
1 David Lindsay, 5th of Dunrod d 1521 |
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b | Mariot Lindsay |
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Unsure of generation, Mariot could be grand-daughter rather than daughter of Alexander. | ||||||||||||||||||
m Robert Lyle, 3rd Lord d 1511 or before 03.1502-3 |
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B | daughter |
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m William Mure of Rowallan |
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Sources:
1
"The Lives of the Lindsays" by Alexander William Crawford Lindsay, 25th
Earl of Crawford. Published Wigan 1858, 2nd edition.
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BP1934 Crawford, TSP Crawford, 'Mathematical'.
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