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Gant Gaunt of Lincoln, Grentmesnil /Grandmesnil of Grentmesnil, Geneville of Trim

Recent studies indicate that this family descends from Rodbar von Friesland, verification is needed.

Gilbert de Gaunt/Gant d c 1095 The earlier view that Gilbert was a son of Baldwin VI, Count of Flanders as maintained by inter alia BE1883 Gant of Lincoln, which describes Gilbert as "son of Baldwin, Earl of Flanders, by Maud, sister to William the Conqueror". But the fact that, as far as is known, William had no sister or half-sister Maud although William was married to Baldwin VI's sister Matilda. So TCP Lincoln and www.rootsweb.com/ ~medieval/gant.htm seem more likely to be correct. m Alice dau of Hugh II de Montfort BE1883 shows only one wife, Alice de Montfort, but he may have had an earlier wife: Emma of Kyme. Alice was mother of Hugh and presumably therefore also of Hugh's younger brothers. It is possible, however, that Emma of Kyme was mother of one or both of Gilbert's daughters.

1.

Hugh de Gant, later Hugh IV de Montfort m Adeline de Beaumont dau of Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester

Y

2.

Walter de Gant or Gaunt d 1138/9

m Maud of Brittany dau of Stephen, Count of Brittany = Etienne I, Count of Trequier and Lamballe

A.

Gilbert de Gant, Earl of Lincoln b c 1120, d 1156/60

BE1883 identifies Gilbert's wife as Hawyse Romare dau of William de Romare, Earl of Lincoln but TCP identifies her as ...

m Rohese de Clare dau of Richard FitzGilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Hertford

i.

Alice Gant d 1185

m Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Northampton, later of Huntingdon dsp 06.1184

ii.

Gunnora Gant

B.

Robert de Gant d c1193

m1 Alice Paynel dau of William Paynel or Paganel of Drax

i.

Alice Gant

m Robert FitzHardinge, later Gant

m2 Gunnor Gunnora

TCP Lincoln shows Gunnor as sister and co-heir of Ralph d'Aubigny and says she m2. Nicholas de Stuteville. BE1883 Gant identifies her as niece of Hugh de Gournay which is possibly how she came to be identified in many web sites as a daughter of Hugh de Gournay.

ii.

Gilbert de Gant, 'Earl of Lincoln' d 1241

a.

Gilbert de Gant of Folkingham d 1274

1

Gilbert de Gant, Baron Gant dsp 1297

m Lora sister of Alexander de Baliol

2

Margaret Gant

m William de Kerdeston, Sheriff of Norfolk a 1297

3

Nichola Gant d 1284

m by 1273 Peter de Mauley, 1st Lord b 22.07.1249, d 06.09.1308

4

Julian Gant d unm

b.

Julian Gant

m Geffrey de Armentiers

iii.

Stephen de Gant

Ga25-3

Agnes de Gant d 1155

m William de Mohun, 1st of Dunster

Ga25-4

Alice de Gant

m1 Ibert de Lacy dsp 1141

m2 Roger de Mowbray d 1188

Ga25 =26 =29

daughter m William FitzWalter of Wells and Claxby d before 1198

-1 Robert FitzWilliam de Welle d before 12.1206 m Maud

-1-1 William de Welle d 1241-2 m by 1207 Emma de Grainsby a 09.1226, dau of William de Grainsby

-1-1-1 Robert de Welle d before 24.09.1265 m Isabel de Periton d before 05.01.1314/5, dau of Adam de Periton of Ellington BE1883 identifies the father of Adam, 1st Lord, as William son of William who married Isabel de Vesci. We follow TCP.

-1-1-1-1 Philip de Welle a 1276, dsp -1-1-1-2 William de Welle a 1286, dsp m Helwise -1-1-1-3 Adam de Welle, 1st Lord d 01.09.1311 m by 1296 Joan Engaine d 01.06.1315, dau of Sir John Engaine of Laxton and Blatherwycke -1-1-1-4? probably of this family and generation was: Cecily de Welles b c 1295 dau/heir m m before 1323 Sir Thomas de Stirkeland of Sizergh b c 1290, d 1376 (If she was heiress, then the Adam above was probably of a different line.)

-1-1-1-3-1 John de Welles, 4th Lord b 23.08.1334, d 11.10.1361 m Maud de Ros d 09.12.1388, dau of William de Ros, 3rd Lord -1-1-1-3-2 John de Welles -1-1-1-3-3 Margaret de Welles, prioress of Greenfield

-1-1-1-3-1-1 John de Welles, 5th Lord b 20.04.1352, d 26.08.1421 m1 before 05.1386 Margaret de Mowbray dau of John de Mowbray, 4th Lord

-1-1-1-3-1-1-1 Ives / Eudo de Welles dvp m1 Maude de Greystock + 5 ch dau of Ralph de Greystock, 5th Lord of Greystoke m2 1447 Margaret Beauchamp b 1410, d 08.08.1482 + 1 ch, dau of John de Beauchamp, 3rd Lord of Bletsho -1-1-1-3-1-1-2 Sir William Welles, Chancellor of Ireland m Anne Barnewall dau of ?? Barnewall of Crickstown

-1-1-1-3-1-1-1-1 Sir Richard Welles, 7th Lord Willoughby of Eresby, 7th Lord Welles b c 1420 d 12.03.1469 m1 c 1446 Joan Willoughby, Baroness of Eresby b c 1420 d 1461/2, dau of Robert Willoughby, 6th Lord of Eresby -1-1-1-3-1-1-1-2 Alianore Welles b c 1420 m1 Thomas, Lord Hoo and Hastings d 13.02.1454/5 m2 James or Sir Thomas Lawrence m3 Hugh Hastings -1-1-1-3-1-1-1-3 Cecily Welles b c 1420 m Sir Robert Willoughby of Parham d 30.05.1465-6 -1-1-1-3-1-1-1-4 Margaret Welles b c 1425 m Sir Thomas Dymoke of Scrivelsby b c 1427 d 12.03.1470 -1-1-1-3-1-1-1-5 Catherine Welles m1 Sir Thomas de la Launde m2 Robert Tempest -1-1-1-3-1-1-1-6 John Welles, Viscount Welles d 09.02.1498/9 m 01.12.1487 Cecily Plantagenet d 24.08.1507 + 2 ch d y, dau of King Edward IV

F.+

other issue - Baldwin, Geoffrey

3.

Robert de Gant, Lord Chancellor of England a 1153

4.

Emma de Gaunt

Y

m Alan de Percy 'the Great Alan'

Y

5.

daughter

m Ives or Ivo de Grandmesnil below

6.

Agnes de Gaunt

Y

m William FitzNigel, lord of Halton, Constable of Chester

Y

This is data in various web sites but reconciled with TCP Leicester. The name Grandmesnil appears to have been an anglicised version of Grentmesnil, near Lisieux. The family appears to have been researched in some depth in recent years apparently because of interest in the fact that Hugh de Grentmesnil is reported to have been one of the close companions of William the Conqueror. This has led to the correction of previous confusion between his sons and the ancestry of Petronilla Pernel but this should not be considered certain.

Gr31 =30 =29 =28. Gervase de Grentmesnil b c977 central Normandy, where the family were famous for the breeding and training of war horses, amassed a fortune from a string of stud farms which they owned on the plains of Ouche

Gr29 =30

Robert de Grentmesnil m Hawise d'Echaffour dau of Giroie d'Echaffour/Eschauffen

Gr28-2

Robert de Grentmesnil He first became a monk, then abbot at the Abbey of Saint-Evroul in Normandy and later Bishop of Troina in the Norman Kingdom of Sicily.

Gr30 =29 =28 =27

Hugh de Grentmesnil/Grandmesnil, Sheriff of Leicestershire b 1032 d 22.02.1098, Steward of England §B made a cavalry commander for the invasion of England in 1066, received 100 manors for his services, sixty-five of them in Leicestershire for fighting at the Battle of Hastings. m Alice de Beaumont d c 1091, dau of Ivo, Count of Beaumont

Gr27-1

Robert de Grandmesnil d 113 inherited the Norman lands which are later found in Robert FitzPernel's hands. Some sources report that Robert dsp but TCP mentions one source that identifies one daughter, but by which wife is not certain: m1 Agnes of Bayeux dau of-> m2 Emma, dau of Robert d'Estouteville m3 Lucy, dau of (Oderic vol. iii, p. 359).

+1 Ranulph de Meschines, 1st Earl of Chester +1 Robert d'Estouteville +1 Savary FitzCana

Gr27-1-1

Agnes de Grandmesnil m Robert de Moulins

Gr27-1-2?

William de Grandmesnil went to Apulia, where m Mabel, dau of Robert Guiscard (Oderic, vol.iii, p. 455), and no more is heard of him in England or Normandy

Gr27-1-2-1?

Petronilla/Pernel de Grandmesnil b 1134 d 01.04.1212 TCP Leicester says of the Pernel Petronilla who married Robert de Beaumont that "we know that Pernel was great-grandaughter of Hugh the Domesday tenant" and speculates "if she inherited the Norman lands she would in all probability be a daughter of a son of Hugh's son Robert." m before 1155 >Robert 'Blanchmaines' de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester d 1190, abt 1153, son of->

+1 Sir Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester, Justiciar of England m Amice de Montfort

+2 +2 Amauri de Montfort, Count of Evreux m Agnes de Garlende

Gr27-1-2-1?

Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan, b abt 1141, of Meulan, Normandy, France, d Oct 1207, Palestine. m Maud FitzRoy 1165, Cornwall dau of->

+1 Sir Reginald FitzRoy, Earl of Cornwall m Mabel Fitz Richard. . . . HJY

Gr27-1-2-1-1

William 'de Breteuil' dvpsp 1190 'The House of Hamilton' shows William (shown by both GenEU and TCP as an elder brother of the 4th Earl) to be a younger brother of that Earl and a possible ancestor of the Hamilton family in Scotland. As any surviving male issue of a brother of the Earl would have had an easy claim on the earldom, this would only have been likely had the issue not been legitimate (which of course may have been the case) or had been formally attainted (which is unlikely as a record of this would certainly have been made). However, it is noted that William's brother Roger was a key figure in Scotland around the time of (or just before) the appearance of the first proven member of the Hamilton family (see Hamilton01).

Gr27-1-2-1-2

Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester, Steward of England (dsp 10.1204) m. Loretta de Braose (dau of William de Braose of Brecknock, Lord of Bramber)

Gr27-1-2-1-3

Roger de Breteuil, Chancellor of Scotland, Bishop of St. Andrews

Gr27-1-2-1-4

Amicie de Beaumont (d 03.09.1215) m1. before 1175 Simon de Montfort, Count of Rochefort, 'Earl of Leicester' (b c1153, d before 01.1188) m2. (before 13.01.1188) Guillaume III des Barres (d 1234)

Gr27-1-2-1-5

Margaret de Beaumont (d 02.1235) m Saier de Quincy Qu25, 1st Earl of Winchester d 1219 . . . HJY

Qu24-1 Robert de Quincy (dvp 1217) TCP (Winchester) reports that this Robert dsp but this appears to be in error so, supported by TCP (Lincoln), we follow BE1883 in showing the following family. BE1883 says he had an only daughter (Margaret) but then also mention Mabel. m. Hawise de Kevliock dau of Hugh 'Keveliok' de Meschines, 3rd Earl of Chester Qu24-2 Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester d 25.04.1264 m1 Helen of Galloway (d after 21.11.1245 + 3 ch dau of Alan, lord of Galloway m2 before 05.06.1250 Maud de Bohun + 1 ch dau of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex, Constable m3 before 05.12.1252 Eleanor Ferrers dsp by 26.10.1274 dau of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, by Sibyl Marshal Qu24 Robert de Quincy d 1257 apparently had the same name as his eldest brother, TCP mentions a brother John but no Robert. However, TCP (Chester), supported by TCP (Hereford), confirms that Helen of Wales's 2nd husband was Robert, "yst. s. of Saer, Earl of Winchester" and TCP (Wake) confirms him as "yst. br. of Roger, 2nd Earl. m Helen of Wales d 1253, dau of Llewelyn the Great, Prince of North Wales and Joan, Lady of Wales, (il dau of King John of England and Clemence Pinel) Qu24 Hawise de Quincy . . . HJY m. Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford (d 1263) Qu24-5 Loretta de Quincy m William de Valoniis of Panmure, Chamberlain of Scotland d 1219 Qu24-6 Arabella de Quincy identified in BE1883 (Harcourt) m Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt b c1202, d 1258

Qu24-1-1 Margaret de Quincy m1 John de Lacy, 1st Earl of Lincoln d 1240 m2. Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke (dsp 11.1245) Qu24-1-2 Mabel de Quincy m Hugh Audley Qu24-2-1 Margaret de Quincy m by 1238 William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (d 24.03.1254) Qu24-2-2 Elizabeth de Quincy m Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan (d 1289) Qu24-2-3 Elena/Ela de Quincy d 1296 m of Ashby d 10.08.1270 Qu24-2-4 Isabell de Quincy m Hugh Nevill Qu23-1 Anne de Quincy (nun) Qu23 Joane de Quincy d 25.11.1283 m Humphrey de Bohun (the younger) Qu23-3 Margaret/Hawise de Quincy m. Baldwin Wake d 1282 Ve23-1. Robert de VERE 5th Earl of Oxford Ve23-2. Aubrey de VERE Ve23-3. Richard de VERE Ve23-4. Margaret de VERE Ve23-5. Maud de VERE Ve23. Isabel de VERE b c 1222 d after 11 Aug 1299 m John de Courtenay 2nd Baron Okehampton Ve23-7 Laura de VERE m Reynold ARGENTINE Baron Argentine Qu24-6-1 Sir William de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt b 1227, d 1270 m1 1250 Alice la Zouche dau of Roger la Zouche

Gr27-1-2-1-6+

other issue - Hawise nun, Pernelle

Gr27-1-3?

Hugh de Grentemesnil

Gr27-2

William de Grandmesnil

m Mabel of Apulia dau of Robert 'Guiscard' de Hauteville, Duke of Apulia Some sites suggest that William's elder brother Robert dspm and that William was father of the Pernel who married Robert de Beaumont. However, TCP says he went to Apulia "and no more is heard of him in England or Normandy."

Gr27-3

Ives or Ivo de Grandmesnil b c 1070 d 1101/2 on pilgrimage to the Holy Land, participated in 1st Crusade in 1096 with Robert Curthose, Duke of Normandy, Sheriff of Leicester. m x Gent dau of Gilbert de Gant above

Gr27-3-1+

at least 2 sons including Ives d 25 Nov 1120 in the wreck of the White Ship on the coast of Normandy off Barfleur

Gr27-4

Adeline de Grandmesnil m Roger d'Ivry

Gr27-5

Rohais de Grandmesnil m Robert de Courci

Gr27-6

Matilda de Grandmesnil

m Hugh de Montpincon

Gr27=28

Agnes de Grandmesnil m William de Say Saye a 1066

Gr27-8+

other issue - Hugh d y c 1087 d. y c 1097 bur. in St. Evroult (Oderic, vol. iii] pp. 259, 455), Sir Aubrey, Hawise d unm

Sir Geoffrey de Geneville, Sn de Vaucouleurs, Lord of Trim b after 1225, d 21.10.1314

BE1883 says that Geoffrey was son of Peter de Genevill who was either a man of humble birth or Lord of Vancouleur, brother of John de Joinville. We follow TCP which does not show such a Peter.

m Maud de Lacy dau of Gilbert de Lacy of Ewyas Lacy

1.

Geoffrey de Geneville dvpsp before 11.10.1283

2.

Peter de Geneville of Ludlow dvp before 08.06.1292

BE1883 suggests that Peter outlived his father and became 2nd Lord although it accepts that he was never summoned to Parliament.

m before 1285 Jeanne de Lusignan d c08.1322, dau of Hugues XII of Lusignan, Comte de la Marche et d'Angouleme

A.

Joane de Geneville b 02.02.1285/6, d 19.10.1356

Y

m1 Bernard Ezy, Sire d'Albert

m2 Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March b 1287, d 29.11.1330

Y

B.+

other issue - Isabel nun, Beatrice nun

3.

Sir Simon de Geneville of Culmullin

m Joan FitzLeon dau of Richard FitzLeon of Culmullin

A.

Simon de Geneville dspvp

B.

Matilda de Geneville

m Baldwyn Fleming, Lord Slane

C.

Elizabeth de Geneville

m Sir William de Loundres, Baron of the Naas

D.

Joan de Geneville

m John Cusack

Sources:
1 TCP Lincoln, BE1883 Gant of Lincoln
2 various web sites, not least www.patpnyc.com/conq/grntmsnl.shtml
3 BE1883 Genevill, TCP Geneville
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