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Ca38. Charlemagne, King of the Franks, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire b 04.742/7, d 28.01.814 §A

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m1 766 Himiltrude
Ca37-1. Pippin 'the hunchback' b 767, d 811/3
m2 770, div 771 Gerperga 'Desideria' d 776, dau of Didier/Desidarius, King of the Lombards
m3 771 Hildegarde of Vinzgau b 757, d 30.04.783/4, dau of Gerold I von Vinzgau by Imma of Allemannia
Ca37-2. Charles, King of the East Franks, King of Neustria, Duke of Ingelheim b 772, d 04.12.811
m Juliana of Ingelheim dau of Roland of Ingelheim
The following descent, which is reported by 'Mathematical', is unlikely to be secure but is shown for its interest value. If it is true then Rowland of Neustria was most probably illegitimate as otherwise he would probably have played a more widely recorded role in the development of Europe.
A. Rowland of Neustria b c805
i. Godfrey of Neustria b c845
a. Baldwin I of Blois b c885
1 Baldwin II of Blois b c925
A John de Conteville of Tonsburgh, Earl of Comyn b c969/979
Ca37-3. Pepin I, originally named Carloman, King of Italy and the Lombards b 773, d 08.07.810
m1 795 Bertha of Toulouse dau of William, Count of Autun and Toulouse
A. Adelheid or Adelaide b c798, d c810
m Gui I, Duke of Spoleto d 860/6, son of Lambert of Nantes
B.+ other issue d by 813 - Athalia Atala, Gudrade Gundrada, Berthaide Bertha, Theodrade Tetrada
One of these daughters married as follows:
m Lambert of Nantes d 01.09.836
m2 Chrothais/Theitrade/Gondres b 780, dau of Bernhard
Various sources show that Pepin's son's mother was Bertha of Toulouse but Wikipedia reports that he was illegitimate.
partner unknown
F. Bernard I, King of Italy and the Lombards b c797, d 17.08.818
m 8713 Cunegonde of Laon b by 796, a 06.835
i. Pepin II Quentin, Count of Vermandois, Senlis et Peronne b 817, a 840
Ve35. Herbert I, Count of Vermandois, Senlis et Peronne b c849, d by 11.907
m Bertha de Morvois or Leidgardis
Ve34-1 Beatrix de Vermandois b 880, a 931
m Robert I, King of France b 866, d 15.06.923
Ve34-2 Berengar, Count de Bayeaux et Senlis
The descent from Berengar is not fully secure and is to be reviewed.
m daughter of Gurvand, Duke of Brittany
Ve34 Herbert II, Count of Vermandois et Troyes b 884, d 23.02.943
m by 907 Adela or Hildebrande of France b 895, d 931, dau of Robert I, King of France
Ve33-1 Eudes, Count of Amiens et Vienne b 9410, d 946
Ve33-2 Adele de Vermandois b c912, d 10.10.960
m 934 Arnulf I, Count of Flanders b c889, d 27.03.964
Ve33-3 Herbert, Count de Meaux b c911
Ve33-4 Luitgarde de Vermandois b c914, d 09.02.978
m c944 Theobald 'le Tricheur', Count of Blois et Chartres & Tours b 910, d 975
Ve33 Adalbert, Count de Vermandois b c916
m by 954 Gerberge of Lorraine b c935, d 978, dau of Giselbert, Duke of Lorraine
Ve32 Herbert III, Count of Vermandois et Troyes b 953, d 1015
m c 998 Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine b 946, a 1035
Ve31 Otto, Count de Vermandois b 979, d 25.05.1045
m Pavia
Ve30 Herbert IV, Count de Vermandois b 1028, d 1080
m Adele de Valois b 1032, d 1080, dau of Raoul III, Count de Valois
Ve29 Adelaide de Vermandois b 1050, d 1124
m Hugh I 'le Grand' de Crepe, Count de Vermandois et de Valois b 1057, d 18.10.1101
Ve30-2 Eudes I, Count de Ham a 1032
Ve30-3 Peter de Vermandois
Peter is reported to have been father of Herbert, Chamberlain to William II of England.
Ve32-2 Gui a 988
m Adelaide de Soissons d 1047
a Aelis de Soissons
m Nocher II de Bar-sur-Aube a 1019
Ve33-6 Robert de Vermandois, Count of Meaux et Troyes b c918, d 29.08.968
m Adelais de Vergy b 914, d 967, dau of Giselbert of Burgundy
i Herbert, Count of Vermandois et Troyesconfused with Herbert shown above as his cousin ?
a Adele de Vermandois
m Gauthier de Valois son of Gauthier de Valois by Adele de Dreux
ii Adelaide de Vermandois b 934, d 982
m1 07.12.954 Lambert de Chalons
m2 979 Geoffrey I, Count of Anjou b 938, d 987
Ve33-7 Hugh de Vermandois, Abbot of Reims b 920, d 962
Ve34-4 Sprota of Bretagne
p. William 'Longsword', Count of Rouen, Duke of Normandy b c900, d 17.12.942
m Asperling de Vaudreuil of Ivry
A Ralph, Count of Ivry b 944
Ralph is confirmed by TCP Hereford as having been a half-brother, through his mother, of Richard I, Duke of Normandy. TCP Lovel of Titchmarsh identifies his wife as ...
m Aubree
i Hugh d'Ivry, Bishop of Bayeux b 980 probably father of ...
a Aubree de Bayeux b 1015
m1 c1035 Robert of Ivry a 1060
m2 Albert de Cravent
ii John d'Ivry, Bishop of Avranches, Archbishop of Rouen identified on various web sites
iii Emma of Ivry
m Osbern Steward of Normandy
Ve34-5 daughter b c882, d 12.12.949
m by 918 Eudo von Wetterau d 02.12.949
Ve35-2 Bernard II b c845, d by 892
Ve35-3 Pepin I, Count of Senlis
1 Herbert
2 Bernard, Count of Senlis
A Adele, Countess of Senlis
m c 989 Gauthier II de Vexin
Ve35-4. Adelheid
m Lambert, King of Italy d 898
Ve35-5 Papia Poppa of Senlis
Poppa, wife of Rollo 'the Ganger', is sometimes wrongly identifed as daughter of Berengar, Count of Bayeux and Senlis, who is shown above as a nephew of this Poppa.
m 886 Rollo 'the Ganger' Ragnvaldson of Normandy b 870, d 932
Ve35-5 Beatrix de Vermandois
m Robert I, King of France
Ca37. Louis I 'the Fair' or 'the Pious', King of Aquitaine, Holy Roman Emperor b 778, d 20.06.840
m1 798 Ermengarde of Hesbaye b c778, d 03.10.818, dau of Ingeramme, Count of Hesbaye, and Hedwig of Bavaria
A. Alpais b c794,a 852 not mentioned by Wikipedia
m Beggo, Count of Paris d 816
Lo37=33 Lothar I, Holy Roman Emperor d 29.09.855
m1 Thionville b 800, d 20.03.851
Lo32-1 Louis II, King of Italy, Emperor of the East Franks b c822, d 12.08.875
m 855 Engelburge of Alsace di Spoleto, b by855, d 890
a. Gisele b c853, d by 04.868
b. Irmengarde or Ermengarde b c859, d c896
m 876 Boson, King of Lower Burgundy Provence and Aquitaine d 19.02/12.887
Lo32-2 Ermengarde or Irmgard b 830, a 849
m 846 Giselbert II von Maasgau, Count of Hainault b 830, d 892
Lo32 Lothar II, King of Lotharingia / Lorraine b c830, d 08.08.869
m1 855, div 857/862 Teutberge de Arles d before 25.11.875, dau of Boso, Count of Turin/Valois
Lo31-1 Hugo, Duke of Els b c855/860, d 895
m2 15.10.862 Walrada b c836, a 868
Lo31-2 Bertha b 866, d 08.03.924/5
m1 879 Theodebert, Count of Arles / Provence b c860, d 895
m2 898 Adalbert II, Marquis of Tuscany b 855, d 19.09.915
Lo31 Gisela b c860/865, a 01.908
m Bl31 Godefrey le Danois Bl30 Siegfried
Lo31-4 Irmgard d c900
Lo32-4 Charles, King of Burgundy/Provence b c845, d 24.01.863
Lo32-5 Hiltrud b c826, d 865-6
m Berengar di Spoleto
Lo32-6 Rotrud b c840
m Lambert II de Nantes
Lo32-7.+ other issue - Berta b c830, a 05.852, Gisela b c830, a 05.856
m2 Doda a 06.855
Lo32-9 Karloman b 853
m3 name unknown
C. Pepin I, King of Aquitaine b 797/803, d 13.12.833/838
m 822 Ingeltrude a 03.836, dau of Theodebert, Count of Madrie
i. Pepin II, King of Aquitaine b c824, d 864
ii. Charles, Arbishop of Mainz b c827, d 04.06.863
iii. Berthe
m 839 Gerard, Duke of Aquitaine d 841
iv. daughter
m Rather, Count of Limoges
D. Rotrude b 800, d c841
m1 Gerard I, Count of Auvergne b c795, d 25.06.841
m2 Rather de Limoges
E. Hildegarde/Matilda, Abbess of Laon b c802, d 841
m Gerard I, Count of Auvergne b c795/800, d 25.06.841
F. Louis II 'the German', King of Bavaria, Holy Roman Emperor b c 804, d 28.08.876
m 827 Hemma von Altdorf a 818, d 31.01.876, dau of Welf
i. Karloman, King of Bavaria and Italy b by 828, d 09.880
m1 Liutswinde
a. Arnulf, Duke of Carinthia, Emperor b c850, d 08.12..899
m Oda of Bavaria
1 Zwentibold d 900
m c897 Oda either Oda of Paris, dau of Eudes, Count of Paris, or Oda of Saxony
2 Louis IV 'das kind', King of the East Franks b 893, d 24.09.911
3 Hedwige
m2 ? von Nordgau
ii. Louis III, King of Saxony, Thuringia and Franconia b c830, d 20.01.881/2
m Liutgard of Saxony
a.+ other issue - Louis b c877, d 879, Hildegard b 878/881, d 895/931
partner unknown
c. Hugo b c850, d 880
iii. Charles III 'the Fat', King of the Franks, Holy Roman Emperor b 839, d 13.01.888
m 862 Richardis d c900, dau of Count Erchanger
a. Karloman d 876
partner unknown
b. Bernard b 881/2, d 891
iv. Gisela
m Erchanger I of Swabia
v+. other issue - Hildegard b 828, d 23.12.856, Irmgard d 16.07.866, Berta d 26.03.877
m2 819 Judith von Altdorf b 800, d 19.04.843, dau of Welf
Ca36-1. Gisele b c819, d 01.07.876
m 836 Everhard, Margrave of Friuli b c820, d 16.12.866
Ca36. Charles II 'the Bald', King of the West Franks, Holy Roman Emperor b 823, d 06.10.877
m1 14.12.842 Ermentrude b c825, d 06.10.869, dau of Eudes I, Count of Orleans
Ca35 Judith b 844, a 870
m1 01.10.856 Aethelwulf, King of Wessex b c806, d 17.06.857
m2 858, div 1860 Aethelbald, King of Wessex d 860
m3 862 Baldwin I, Count of Flanders b c837/840, d 879
Ca35-2 Louis II 'the Stammerer', King of the Franks b 01.11.846, d 10.04.879
m1 862, repudiated 866 Ansgarde d 87, dau of Hardouin, Count of Burgundy
a. Louis III, King of East Franks, Emperor b 864, d 05.08.882
b. Karloman, King of West Franks, Emperor b 866, d 12.884
c.+ other issue - Hildegarde, Gisele d by 884
m2 sp Luitgarde of Saxony
m3 c868 Adelaide b 850-60, d c18.10.900, dau of Beggen/Adalhard, Count of Paris
e. Charles III 'the Simple', Holy Roman Emperor b 17.09.897, d 07.10.929
m1 907 Frederuna d 916/7
1 Frederune
m c930 Wichman von Stubennkorn dsp
2 Gisela
m 912, sp Rollo 'the Ganger' Ragnvaldsson, Duke of Normandy b 846, d 932
3+ other issue - Irmtrude, Adelaide
m2 918/9 Eadgifu b c900, d 951/5, dau of Edward, King of England
5 Louis IV 'd'outre mer', Emperor b 10.09.921, d 10.09.954
m 939/40 Gerpirga Gerberge of Saxony b 925, d 05.05.984, dau of Henry of Saxony, King of Germany
A Lothar IV, King of West Franks b 941, d 02.03.986
m 966 Emma of Italy b c948, d 988, dau of Lothar II, King of Italy
i Louis V 'le Faineant', Emperor b 967, d 987
m1 c977 Blanche d'Auvergne d c980
m2 981/2, div 984 Adelaide d'Anjou b c942, d 1026
ii Eudes a 986, a canon in Reims
B Charles of Laon, Duke of Lower Lorraine b 953, d 22.06.991/4
m1 c973 Agnes de Vermandois b c955, d 983, dau of Heribert de Vermandois
i Adelaide or Ermentrude b 970/975, d 1019
m c990 Albert I, Count of Namur d by 1011
ii Gerberge de Lorraine b 977, a 01.1018
m c 990 Lambert I, Count de Louvain b c950, d 12.09.1015
m2 by 979 Bonne Adelaide possibly dau of Ricuinus, Duke on the Moselle
iii Eudes, Duke of Lower Lorraine b after 985, d 1012
iv+ other issue - Charles b 989, Louis b after 989, d c995
C Mathilde b c943, d 982/991
m c964 Conrad, King of Burgundy b c925, d 10.10.993
D+ other issue - Karloman b 945, d c953, Louis b 948, d 954, Henri b/d 953
6 Rociro of Laon, bishop
f. Ermentrude b 870/5
Ca35-3 Charles 'the child', King of Aquitaine d 847/8, d 29.09.865/6
m 862, div 1863 Witwe widow of Count Humbert
Ca35-4+ other issue - Karloman b c849, d 876, abbot, Lothar b c847, d by 12.865, abbot, Ermentrude b c854, a 877, abbess, Hildegard b c856, Gisele b c858, d 01.07.874, Rotrude b 862, d by 911, abbess
m2 22.01.870 Richildis d 910/914/920, dau of Budwin of Metz
Ca35-10. Rothaut b c870
m Hughes, Count of Bourges b c862, d 892
a. Richildis de Bourgues b 892
m Thibaut, Viscount de Tours, Count de Blois d c942
Ca35-11. Rothilde of Neustria b c871, d 22.03.928
m Roger of Maine d 31.10.900
Ca35-12.+ other issue - Drogo b 872/3, d 873/4, Pippin b 872/3, d 873/4, Hersent of Lorraine b c870, Charles b 10.10.876, d 877
I. Adelaide b 824, a 866
m Robert, Duke of France b 820, d 866
partner unknown may be legitimate
J. Arnulf de Sens b c790, a 816
Ca37-5. Rotrude b c775, d 810
m Rorico or Rociron de Rennes, Count of Maine d c832
Ca37-6. Bertha b 779/780, d 826
m 787 Augilbert 'the Saint' b c750, d 18.02.814
Ca37-7.+ other issue - Lothar b 778, d 780, Adelaide b 774, d 774, Gisela b by 781, c800, Hildegarde b 08.06.782, d 783
m4 783 Fastrada d 10.08.794, dau of Rodolfo III, Count of Franconia
Ca37-11. Theodrada b c785, d 09.01.844, abbess of Argenteuil
Ca37-12. Hiltrude b c787, d c800
m Richwin di Padua
A.. Ricbodo b c800, d 14.06.844
m5. 794 Luitgarde dsp 04.06.800
p1. Gersuinda or Gerswinde of Saxony
Ca37-13. Adeltrude or Adaltrude b 1774
p2. Madelgarde
Ca37-14. Ruodhaid or Rothilde b 1775, d 810/24.03.852, abbess of Faremoutiers
p3. Regine
Ca37-15. Drogo, Bishop of Metz b 17.06.801, d 08.12.855
Ca37-16. Hugues b 794/802/806, d 14.06.844, abbott, archchancellor of the Holy Roman Empire
A. Petronilla b 825
m Tertulle, Count of Anjou a 821
p4. Ethelind or Adelinde
Ca37-17. Theorerich/Dietrich b 807, a 819
p5. unknown not mentioned by Wikipedia
Ca37-18. Hruodhaid b c784, d c800

1 'Royal Geneaolgies', HOLDT, GenEU Carolin1
2 Debrett's '"Kings and Queens of Europe".
3 For the children & various grandchildren of Charlemagne : Wikipedia
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