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Bruce 3

: Bruce of Clackmannan, Bruce of Wester Kennet

Thomas Bruce, 1st of Clackmannan d by 1384 Thomas's ancestry is unclear.
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TSP Elgin & Ailesbury starts off with the following sentence: "Of the origins of the Bruces of Clackmannan and the exact nature of their connection with the Royal House of Bruce, so far no certain evidence has been discovered." Various but not all sources appear to share the view that his father was a Sir Robert Bruce who was killed at the battle of Dupplin Moor in 1332 but the parentage of that Sir Robert varies, some identifying him as a natural son of King Robert I who fitted that description and, some say, was created Earl of Ross for life although TSP Elgin & AIlesbury reports that this "is not only unfounded but can be positively disproved". The second sentence of TSP Elgin & Ailesbury seems more likely and reads "Several theories have been put forward on this subject, of which the oldest, and the one which has been the tradition of the family from early times, is that the House of Clackmannan was descended from John, younger son of Robert de Brus, fifth Lord of Annandale, the Competitor'."
m Marjory Charteris
1. Sir Robert de Bruce, 2nd of Clackmannan d c1389
m Isabel Stewart dau of Sir Robert Stewart of Durrisdeer
A. Sir Robert Bruce, 3rd of Clackmannan d by 1406
m ?? Scrimgeour dau of Sir John Scrimgeour of Dudhope, Constable of Dundee
i. Sir David Bruce, 4th of Clackmannan
m Jean Stewart dau of Sir John Stewart of Lorn and Innermeath
a. John Bruce, 5th of Clackmannan d 1473
m Elizabeth Stewart dau of Sir David Stewart of Rosyth
1 Sir David Bruce, 6th of Clackmannan d c1500
m1 Janet Stirling dau of Sir William Stirling of Keir
A Robert Bruce of Rait dvp before 1490
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Robert and his son David were passed over for the succession to Clackmannan, possibly at the instignation of his stepmother.
m c1484 Elizabeth Lindsay m2. Alexander Scott, son of William of Balwery
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m2 Mariot Herries dau of John or Robert Herries of Terregles, widow of Sir David Stewart of Rosyth
B Sir David Bruce, 7th of Clackmannan a 1556
m Janet Blackadder dau of Sir Patrick Blackadder of Tulliallan
i John Bruce, younger of Clackmannan dvp before 14 Feb 1550-1 - continued below
m Janet Murray dau of William Murray of Touchadam
ii Edward Bruce of Blairhall b 1505, d 1565
m Alison Reid dau of John Reid of Aikenhead
iii David Bruce of Green d by 12 Jun 1556
iv Robert Bruce of Lynmylne
TSP notes that "The Swedish Bruces ennobled in 1668 were probably descended from him."
v Patrick Bruce of Valleyfield dsp
m Margaret Falconer
vi David Bruce, 1st of Stanstill d by 13 Jun 1595 mentioned by the Perthshire Heritage site as possibly of this generation
vii Elizabeth Bruce
m1 by 22 Apr 1540 Alexander Dundas of Fingask d Pinkie 10 Sep 1547
m2 by 1555 Robert Colless of Bonnymoon Collace of Balnamoon
viii Marion Bruce d 07.1575
m1 Robert Bruce of Airth
m2 Magnus Sinclair of Kinninmonth d 16 Jul 1586, son of William, 4th Lord, by Mariote Bruce
ix Agnes Bruce
The Perthshire Heritage site shows Agnes's husband as James Cunningham of Polmaise, son of Robert. We provisionally follow TSP which shows her husband as ...
m John Elphinstone parson of Invernochty
x Alison Bruce
m c1530 Sir James Colville of Ochiltree
C Alexander Bruce
D Christian Bruce
m Sir James Shaw or Schaw of Sauchie
E Marion Bruce
m by 02 Dec 1500 John Menteith of Caverkay
2 Robert Bruce, 1st of Cultmalundy d by 13 May 1491
m Janet Barbour dau of John Barbour of Cultmalundy
b.+ other issue - Patrick of Hill or Huyl a 1449, James a 1449
ii. Thomas Bruce
This Thomas if he existed is identified by TSP Elgin, BP1934 Elgin & Commoners vol ii, Bruce of Kennet as ancestor of the Bruces of West Kennet. That ancestor is identified as a natural son of this generation by TSP Elgin & BP1934 Elgin and as a legitimate son of this generation by Commoners vol ii, Bruce of Kennet but by Gordon McGregor whose book is a main source of the Perthshire Heritage site as a legitimate son of a generation earlier. We follow GMcG. See note below ##.
ii. daughterpossibly of this generation
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m Alexander Forrester
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B. Sir Edward Bruce of Airth
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TSP reports that the founder of the House of the Bruces of Airth was Alexander, son of the second Robert Bruce of Clackmannan. The Perthshire Heritage site shows him as Edward but of the next generation. We follow what is shown by BP1934 Elgin & Kincardine, BP1934 Bruce of Stenhouse and other sources which give him as Edward of this generation.
m by 1417 Agnes Airth dau of Sir William Airth of Airth
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C. James Bruce, Bishop of Dunkeld, Chancellor of Scotland
D. Thomas Bruce of Wester Kennet d temp James I who r. 1406-1437
As noted above ##, this Thomas is shown by TSP Elgin, BP1934 Elgin & Commoners vol ii, Bruce of Kennet as of the next generation. Gordon McGregor kindly advised us 21 Jul 07 that Thomas "had a charter for the lands of Wester Kennet, Pitfolden and other from his father Robert Bruce of CXlackmannan on 2 May, 1389". We therefore follow the Perthshire site which follows GMcG in showing Thomas as of this generation. His Thomas's descendants are as reported by the Perthshire site supported by Commoners. Because of reports in TSP Balfour of Burleigh and elsewhere that the undermentioned Margaret was heiress of Wester Kennet, we identify his & his successors' property as 'Wester Kennet' rather than just Kennet which is what is given in Commoners.
i. Patrick Bruce of Wester Kennet this generation omitted by Commoners
a. Thomas Bruce of Wester Kennet
1 David Bruce of Wester Kennet d before 17 May 1496
m Agnes Redhach or Reidheugh
A David Bruce of Wester Kennet a 1513
m Margaret Kinninmont dau of Andrew Kinnimont of that ilk
i Patrick Bruce of Wester Kennet d before 09.1551
a John Bruce of Wester Kennet dsp before 13 Jun 1556
b Robert Bruce of Wester Kennet
Commoners shows this Robert as having married a daughter of Andrew Kinnimont but we follow the Perthshire Heritage site in showing her to have been his grandmother.
1 Margaret Bruce of Wester Kennet d 09.1579
m 1568-9 Archibald Bruce d 1609, son of David of Green
ii+ other issue - Robert, Thomas, Henry, John
E. Helen Bruce
m David Ross of Balnagowan
Probably of this family, of this generation, were the following sisters ...
F. Margaret Bruce b c1367
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m c1387 Sir Thomas Traill of Blebo b c1367, d 1439
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G. Elizabeth Bruce b 1368
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m 1385 Sir Alexander Traill of Blebo b c1370, d 1420
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2. David Bruce, Bishop of Glasgow d 1447
John Bruce, younger of Clackmannan dvp before 14 Feb 1550-1 - continued above
m Janet Murray dau of William Murray of Touchadam
1. Sir Robert Bruce, 8th of Clackmannan
m1 mcrt 21 Jan 1550 Janet Livingston dau of Alexander Livingston of Dunipace, widow of John Lichton of Ullshaven
m2 1559 Margaret Moray dau of Sir William Moray, 10th of Tullibardine
Uncertain which wife was mother of which of the children.
A. Sir Robert Bruce, 9th of Clackmannan
m1 Janet Wardlaw dau of Andrew Wardlaw of Torrie
Uncertain which wife was mother of which of the children except that Janet was mother of Janet and Helen was mother of George, Helen, Margaret 2nd, and probably Katherine. The following allocation of children is therefore partially presumptuous.
i. Sir Robert Bruce, 10th of Clackmannan d by 11.1663
m Elizabeth Haliburton dau of Sir James Haliburton of Pitcur
a. Sir Henry Bruce, 11th of Clackmannan d by 14 Apr 1674
m1 Mary Schaw d 05.1668, dau of Sir Alexander Schaw of Sauchie
Commoners vol iv, Bruce of Clackmanan and Cowden or Newton, which provides support for the following, reports that Mary was mother of David, John & Henry.
1 David Bruce, 12th of Clackmannan
m 07.1674, div 08.1694 Margaret MacKenzie dau of George MacKenzie, 1st Earl of Cromarty
A Margaret Bruce bpt 15 Oct 1676
2 John Bruce, 13th of Clackmannan d before 02 Dec 1724
m Ann Roberton dau of Archibald Roberton of Bedley
A Margaret Bruce
m John Forbes of Newhall
3 Henry Bruce, 14th of Clackmannan b c1661, d 1741/2, Colonel
m Jean Bruce dau of Alexander Bruce, 4th of Kinnaird
A Alexander Bruce dvp unm
B Henry Bruce, 15th of Clackmannan dsps 08 Jul 1772
m Catherine Bruce b c1694, d 04 Nov 1791, dau of Alexander Bruce of Newton
C Jean/Janet Bruce
m William Bruce of Cowden d 27 Jan 1801
4 Janet Bruce presumed of this marriage
m James Bruce of Powfoulis
m2 13 Oct 1670 Anne Ramsay dau of William Ramsay, 1st Earl of Dalhousie, widow of John, Earl of Dundee
5+ other issue - James bpt 26 Apr 1671, Alexander dsp before 12.1724
b. George Bruce of Harpersland d before 07.1696, Major
1 Helen Bruce confirmed as of this generation GMcG, 21 Jul 07
m 12 Mar 1676 John Arbuthnott of Fiddes b 1652
2 Isobel Bruce sister of Helen
c. William Bruce d 09.1651, Lt. Colonel
m Elizabeth Bruce bpt 08 Jul 1629, dau of Robert Bruce of Wester Kennet
1 Marie Bruce
m 01 Nov 1670 John Neilson son of Gilbert of Craigaffie
d. Ann Bruce bpt 19 Mar 1630
m Patrick Blair of Kirkton of Essie Major
e. Helen Bruce
m 1664 Alexander Bruce, 4th of Kinnaird d 1711
f.+ other issue - Marie bpt 29 Apr 1631, Annabel
ii. Henry Bruce d by 1655
m Janet Gaw bur 04 Sep 1685, dau of Alexander Gaw of Gaw
a.+ issue - Alexander bpt 20 Apr 1633, Robert bpt 20 Apr 1633, Janet bpt 11 Mar 1641
iii. Janet Bruce
m Sir William Auchinleck of Balmanno
iv. Annabell Bruce
m mcrt 26 Jan 1637 William Halliday of Tulliebole
v.+ other issue - Alexander, Andrew, John, David d c1643, William, Margaret, Marjorie, Agnes, Jean
m2 by 18 Jun 1620 Helen Durie dau of Henry Durie, 2nd of Craiginluscor
xiv. Helen Bruce
m Sir Alexander Shaw or Schaw of Sauchie d before 03.1682
xv. Katherine Bruce
m Sir Andrew Fletcher of Innerpeffer
xvi.+ other issue - George, Margaret
B. Norman Bruce of Ayth & Growbister Colonel
m 1595 Janet Norvell d before 02 Oct 1629
i. Robert Bruce a 10.1629
ii. Katherine Bruce confirmed as of this generation GMcG, 21 Jul 07
m before 06.1636 William Murray, 1st Earl of Dysart d c1651
partner unknown
C. Walter Bruce had issue
2. Alison Bruce
m mcrt 22 Oct 1561 James Blackadder of Tuliallan

Sources:
1 TSP Elgin & Ailesbury
2 BP1934 Elgin and Kincardine,
3 www.PerthshireHeritage.co.uk covers "The Landed Families of Perthshire" by Gordon A. McGregor
4 "The Red Book of Perthshire", published 2006, ISBN 0-954-562-828
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