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| Gilbert de la Roche of Bromham Born: about 1245
Died: about 1300 Married: about 1270 Christiana ? The deeds shown below indicate the Gilbert died before 1290 and that his son John was administrating family affair by then. The appearance of Robert de la Roche as a witness in 1290 coupled with Gilbert's daughter becoming heiress of John leads us to believe Robert was a cousin or a predeceased son or brother of John. The following records
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The name on the coat of arms suggests that it was first granted to the son of Godebert who lived at Roche. A similar coat of arms but with a blue field is quartered in the coat of arms for Robert Nicholas Ni14 as noted in the Heralds Visitation of 1563 the descent from Dionisia de la Roch must have been examined then. Arms: Quarterly: 1 & 4, Azure, a chevron engrailed between three owls or; 2; Gules, a chevron between three sand-boxes reversed, issuing sand or SANDON; 3, Azure, three roach nainl in pale argent DE LA ROCH. |
| Gilbert de la Roch and Christiana had a son and a daughter:
John de la Roch
Ro20-1, ("miles" in the Herald's notes b. about 1270, married
Petronel.
William de la Roche also appears between 1280 and 90 and may be another son or nephew of Gilbert. Robert de la Roche also appears as early as 1270 and as a witness after
1290 and may be a brother of Gilbert with property of his own.
Stirnet has the following Roche pedigrees.
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Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Money-Kyrle Family THE MONEY - KYRLE FAMILY Catalogue Ref. 1720 Creator(s): Money-Kyrle family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire Kyrle, Money-family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire ESTATE PRE-1500 TITLE DEEDS, ETC ref. 1720/66 - date: c.1270-1280
ref. 1720/69 - date: c.1270-1280
ref. 1720/82 - date: c.1280-1290
ref. 1720/124 - date: 1336
ref. 1720/128 - date: 1339
ref. 1720/144 - date: 1351
ref. 1720/146 - date: 1351
ref. 1720/164 - date: 1363
ref. 1720/215 - date: 1395
ref. 1213/12 - date: [1286]
ref. 1213/14 - date: [1286]
ref. 1213/18 - date: After 1290 ?Early 14th cent
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Ethnically the de la Roch family seems to have been Cambro-Fleming http://www3.sympatico.ca/jfroache/addR.html
This website gives a very interesting account of the Welsh-Flemish
involvement in Ireland starting in 1166 and lasting a hundred years. And
it shows some Irish misunderstandings about "Anglo-Norman" invasion and
continues with some mention of the de la Roch family in England/Wales as
follows:
"Things are little different in Wales. The furthest back we can go
with any authority there is to "The Chronicle of the Princes" (Brut y Tywsogyon)
--- although it was a continuation of Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia Regum
Britanniae. The Chronicle has survived several Welsh translations of an
original Latin version, which has not survived. It records that the Normans
arriving in Wales to defend the Marche (border) and notes they spoke French.
"It confirms the systematic planting of Flemish settlers in the hundred of Rhos [Roose] and Dauglleddau about 1106, 1108 and 1111 AD by Henry I., Count de La Roche [b. 1068-9 in Selby, Yorkshire, England; d. 1135 in Angers, Maine-et-Loire, France]. The castles of Haverfordwest and Tenby, plus lesser "towers" were erected to protect the Flemish, and, despite fierce attacks by the Welsh princes, their domain grew, helped by another infusion in 1156 under Henry II. Their customs and people can easily be identified in Wales today.
"Henry I had no love for his elder brothers and when William II was killed, Henry had himself elected and crowned king while Robert was away on crusade. His marriage (1100) to Edith of Scotland, daughter of Malcolm III of Scotland and niece of Edgar Atheling, gained him some popularity with his English (as opposed to Norman) subjects. The marriage united the Norman line with old English line of kings but displeased the Norman barons.
"As a concession to them, Edith changed her name to Matilda upon becoming queen. Henry's reign continued to be troubled by uprisings in Normandy led by his nephew and encouraged by Louis VI of France, who was almost constantly at war with Henry. Because of his only legitimate son, William Atheling, being drowned (1120), and his second marriage, (29 January 1121) to Adeliza, daughter of Godfrey, Count of Louvain, being childless, he attempted to secure the succession for his daughter Matilda (Maude).
"Henry I holds the record for the largest number of acknowledged illegitimate children born to any English king, around 20 or 25. He had many mistresses, and identifying which mistress is the mother of which child is difficult. His illegitimate offspring, for whom there is documentation were (according to one list):
"Robert fitzRoy. His mother was probably a member of the Gai family.
Sibylla fitzRoy, married King Alexander I of Scotland. Probably the
daughter of Sibyl Corbet.
Reginald FitzRoy. His mother was Sibyl Corbet.
Maude FitzRoy, married Conan III, Duke of Brittany
Richard FitzRoy, perished in the wreck of the White Ship. His mother
was Ansfride.
Fulk FitzRoy, a monk at Abingdon. His mother may have been Ansfride.
Juliane FitzRoy, married Eustace de Pacy. She tried to shoot her father
with a crossbow after King Henry allowed her two young daughters to be
blinded. Her mother may have been Ansfride.
Matilda FitzRoy, married Count Rotrou II of Perche, perished in the
wreck of the White Ship. Her mother was Edith.
Constance FitzRoy, married Roscelin de Beaumont
Henry FitzRoy, died 1157. His mother was Princess Nesta
Mabel FitzRoy, married William III Gouet
Aline FitzRoy, married Matthieu I of Montmorency
Isabel FitzRoy, daughter of Isabel de Beaumont, sister of Robert de
Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.
Matilda FitzRoy, abbess of Montvilliers
Adeliza FitzRoy. Appears in charters with her brother Robert (below),
she was probably daughter of Eda FitzForne.
Robert FitzRoy, died 1172. His mother was Eda FitzForne.
William de Tracy, died shortly after King Henry.
Gilbert FitzRoy, died after 1142. His mother may have been a sister
of Walter de Gand.
"While the Flemish-Cambro de Roch surname (as opposed to the Norse
one) has a number of possible associations to explain it's origins (Roch
Parish, etc), there is the possibility that it was a deliberate tribute
to their patron, Henry I, former Duke de la Roche.
"One of Godebert's grandsons was named Henry and became Henry de la Roche in Ireland. Strangely too, Godebert, in some pedigrees, is said to have been born in Pembroke[shire] about 1096 - why then was he known as Godebert Flandrensis [of Flanders]??? I don't think anyone - myself included - can answer with authority.
"If he preceded Henry's transplantation, how far back does the family go on the western side of the Channel??? Flemings had been in Scotland in 1066, and there was a second wave of immigration to Scotland later in that century. They joined relatives already there, their royal kinsmen, successively kings of Scotland and often in trouble with Norman England.
"In Scotland, the seed of the Eustaces ruled untroubled from the marriage of Maude de Lens to David I. Supported by descendants of her own house of Boulogne and their kinsmen, men such as Walter the Fleming (now Seton), Gilbert of Ghent/Alost (now Lindsay), Robert de Comines St Pol (now Comyn and Buchan), Arnulf de Hesdin (now Stewart and Graham), the counts of Louvain (now Bruce), the hereditary advocates of Bethune (now Beaton), the hereditary Castellans of Lille (now Lyle), and their followers, the line continued on the throne until the death of Alexander II in 1286.
"Wars of the Scottish succession were intimately concerned with the Flemish presence. Flemings had married Flemings, and south and east Scotland were largely populated by men and women whose ancestors had come from Gent, Guines, Ardres, Comines, St Omer, St Pol, Hesdin, Lille, Tournai, Douai, Bethune, Boulogne.
The 1290 break in the Scottish-Boulonnais succession allowed the Plantagenet-Angevin monarchy in England to annul the Charlemagnic descent. The clans emerged from the turmoil of the 12th and 13th centuries when the Scottish crown pacified northern rebellions and re-conquered areas taken by the Norse, and after the fall of Macbeth, the crown became increasingly Plantagenet.
"The instability caused by the Wars of Scottish Independence brought in warlords with Norman, Anglian and Flemish ancestry --- founding clans such as the Camerons, Frasers, Chisholms, Menzies and Grants.
"Robert Bruce was directly descended by several lines from both Charlemagne and David’s Queen Maude and eligible for the Scottish throne. Robert’s ancestor came into England carrying the azure lion of Louvain, whose Maude de Louvain was the wife of Count Eustace I of Boulogne.
"Members of Robert’s family may well have been granted estates in Normandy at Brix by a Conqueror anxious to procure both their allegiance and their Flemish ability to provide trade (good thinking - judging by the evaluation of them by Giraldus - below). Yet Edward I was dismayed at Bruce's coronation at Scone on March 27, 1306.
"Edward was out of touch - there was a Flemish connection between the north of England, Scotland and Wales...unafraid to assert its rights.
"But back to Wales....according to Giraldus Cambrensis - Gerald de Manorier (Arch. Camb., V, xii, 103), "the Flemish were a people "brave and robust, ever hostile to the Welsh, well versed in commerce and handicraft, a hardy race, equally ready for the plough and the sword".
"Anxious to seek gain by sea or land, in defiance of fatigue and danger, these Flemish were involved in the original Conquest of England (as they had in the occupation of Wales and transplantations elsewhere). They pressed on into Ireland - once given the chance. Men of rank among them readily adopted the language and manners of their Norman allies and later of the Irish - ironically this became their undoing.
"Because Gerald of Wales is a major source, it may be appropriate to say a little more about him:
"Giraldus Cambrensis (c.1146 - c.1223), also known as Gerallt Gymro
in Welsh or Gerald of Wales in English, was a monk and chronicler of his
times. Born at Manorbier Castle in Pembrokeshire, he was of mixed Norman
and Welsh blood, his real name being Gerald de Barri. He was a nephew of
the Bishop of St David's, and a grandson of Gerald de Windsor by de Windsor's
marriage to the notorious Nesta, daughter of Welsh Prince Rhys ap Tewdwr.
The family also claimed a relationship with Lord Rhys (Rhys ap Gruffydd).
Gerald had a church education at Gloucester, followed by a period of
study in Paris. He expected to succeed his uncle as bishop in 1176, but
his Welsh blood was a problem. Despite this, he became chaplain to Henry
II in 1184, and was chosen to accompany Prince John to Ireland.
"His observations there were published as Topographia Hibernica (1188). He followed it up, shortly afterwards, with an account of Henry's "conquest" of Ireland, the Expugnatio Hibernica....no fool, he painted a flattering picture of the Cambro Normans and their allies in Ireland from the date of their arrival.
"Next he travelled with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Baldwin of Exeter, on a tour of Wales in 1188, a recruitment campaign for the Third Crusade. His account of that journey, the Itinerarium Cambriae (1191), followed by the Descriptio Cambriae in 1194 remain valuable, but unreliable, historical documents - describing Welsh and Norman culture at that time.
"In 1198, Gerald again hoped to become Bishop of St David's, but was
rejected a second time. He repeatedly, but unsuccessfully, challenged this
decision, made by Hubert Walter, Archbishop of Canterbury, before giving
up in 1203, to spend the remainder of his life in study, writing and politics.
"The Song of Dermot and the Earl, an Old French Poem from the Carew
Manuscript No. 598 in the Archiepiscopal Library at Lambeth Palace, ed.
and trans. G. H. Orpen, J. F. O'Doherty; "Historical Criticism of the Song
of Dermot and the Earl," Irish Historical Studies, I (1938 ), 4 Giraldus
Cambrensis, Opera, eds. J. S. Brewer et al. Part V (Expugnatio Hibernia)
also provides some information presented here - 100% reliable? - NO!
Thus, like others before me, sources generally cited, are the work
of two people, plus a work of criticism of Dermot and the Earl. The rest
is from conflicting accounts of "experts" and "scholars", plus oral tradition....no
easy task, plenty of room for ambiguity and no place for true believers.
"While most think "Operation Ireland" was the beginning of a major phase in history, in fact, it was pre-dated by developments which paved the way for what to the rest of Europe was an event of minor significance. There had been a tradition of Norman and allied warriors, administrators and churchmen serving in England under Edward the Confessor - House of Wessex....prior to 1066.
"Some reorganized Anglo-Saxon defenses along the Welsh border about 1055, and the Flemish (or Norman-Flemish), were involved in that as well. This would explain the apparent contradiction in Godebert's name and birth date/place. In short, the family at Roch may have been in Wales before 1100 AD.
"This obviously did nothing to prevent the Norman Conquest of England that set the stage for wholesale occupation and transition of power after 1066. The six-thousand strong army (including 1200 knights) which William the Conqueror ferried across the Channel to take the English crown from King Harold (last of the House of Wessex), included many men who were NOT Norman.
"William himself was married to Maude [Matilda] de Flanders [b. 1032
in Flanders; d. 3 Nov, 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France] eldest daughter
of Baldwin V, Count of Flanders. William's continental allies were Flemish.
Flemings had also followed Count Eustace II of Boulogne to England and
received land grants in Scotland.
"William cared more for affairs on the continent than he did about England.
His ways were Norman (French) ways. His heart was in Normandy; his primary
concerns were Flanders, Brittany, Maine, Blois, and Ile de France.
With the Conquest behind them, the Normans, fifty years later, under
Henry I, again looked to Flanders to counter Welsh resistance, so, as noted
above, he sent Flemish retainers to defend his holdings as Lords of the
March (a thoroughly French concept). Whether some of the original Flemish
from Scotland then moved to Wales is a matter of debate - but it is a possibility.
The names of some, who, like the Cambro-Normans, had fallen out of
favour in the period between Henry ! & II, would figure prominently
in "Operation Ireland" -- Roche, Prendergast, Cullen, Fleming, Cheevers,
Synott, etc. It was Phillip de Prendergast, to whom the Roches were subinfeudated
in Wales. He persuaded the FitzGodeberts (then, or soon to be, de Roch)
to try their fortunes in Ireland, albeit Diarmait and fitzStephen had been
the chief instigators.
"Phillip, was given charters in Pembrokeshire. Again, we have claims of a forebear being with William in 1066. However, I have checked the list taken from the plaque in the church at Dives-sur-Mer, Normandy, where the Conqueror and his knights attended Mass before setting sail to England, and I did not find the surname Prenliregast, nor any variation thereof. It is more likely that, like the de Roch, the family took their surname from a place in Wales.
"The list of the names of knights who took part in the Invasion was later falsified and lengthened (The Bayeux Tapestry, Battle Abbey Rolls, etc.) to add families wanting to improve their social standing. It must be said that it does not include the estimated 12,000 Standard Bearers, Men at Arms, Yeomen, Freemen and other ranks, and some of these were granted smaller parcels of land (as small as 1/8th of a knight's fee) for service. The Prenliregast may have been ranked in that number and gained greater stature over time.
"Maps of the area show the placenames Roch and Pendergast - the families were from Roch and Pendergast - thus de Roch and de Pendergast. It makes sense....not to mention that my gg grandmother was a Wexford Cullen, likely derived from Colwyn Bay in North Wales (although undoubtedly having several other possible sources of origin as well).
"In Ireland, while the de Rochs were at Artramon(t), Wexford and spreading out - but Fernegenal (Shelmalier East) was granted to Philip de Pendergast, who built the famous Castle in Enniscorthy. Construction began in 1205-6 with walls and trenches completed in 1225-28 AD, about the time of Phillip's death. Note that after Strongbow was made King's Viceroy in 1173, a large number of Norman, Flemish, English and Welsh settlers were brought to southern Ireland. Some followed the de Roch(e)s as far north as Enniscorthy.
"Strange this - Maurice's eldest son Philip, who had originally accompanied his father to Ireland, married Maude, daughter of Robert de Quincy, Constable and Standard Bearer of Leinster about 1190. He received the town of Enniscorthy in exchange for other lands in 1217 (not 1205 - when construction began?) and died in 1226 (just as the Castle was being completed). He left only one surviving son, another Philip, by then Lord of Manor of Drangan, Co. Tipperary.
"If Phillip fitzPhilip was in Tipperary in 1228, who took possession of the Castle. Were the Roches not involved in it's construction - difficult to believe? Duffrey in northwest Co Wexford had gone to the de Pendergasts through marriage, and they relocated there about 1190 - an area originally granted to Robert de Quency for five knights' fees. And Ui Mealla (Gorey) had passed from de Pendergast to de Roch(e) [1180]? "
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Data on Enock / de la Roch:
Data from http://rochegenealogy.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_rochegenealogy_archive.html
Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Money-Kyrle Family
THE MONEY - KYRLE FAMILY
Catalogue Ref. 1720
Creator(s):
Money-Kyrle family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
Kyrle, Money-family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
ESTATE
PRE-1500 TITLE DEEDS, ETC
ref. 1720/66 - date: c.1270-1280
Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr,
Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Robert de la
Roche. (With transcript and translation).
ref. 1720/69 - date: c.1270-1280
Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilebert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr,
Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Nicholas le
Blund, Robert de la Roche.
ref. 1720/82 - date: c.1280-1290
Witd.: Gilebert de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Gilebert le Wyte, Robert
le Blund, Henry Phelip of Quemerford, Laurence de Stodleya, Robert de Jurleby,
Thomas Puke and William de la Roche.
ref. 1720/124 - date: 1336
Witd.: John de la Roche of Bromham, Nicholas of Roude, Henry le Hert
of Devizes, John Milys of Bromham, John le Frend, Robert of Stoke, William
Aunscel of Lyttleton, Richard le Beste.
ref. 1720/128 - date: 1339
Witd.: John de la Roche, Nicholas de Roude, John Sallinges, John Herny.
ref. 1720/144 - date: 1351
Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Robert de Cauntelo, John
atte Halle, William Cryps.
ref. 1720/146 - date: 1351
Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, John atte Halle, Robert de
Cauntulo, William Crups.
ref. 1720/164 - date: 1363
Grant (at Bromham) by John de la Roche, knight, to John atte Halle
of Whetham, of all his 'standing' which he had from Ralph Scut of Sende
(Seend, Wilts.) in the lands and tenements which were formerly John Fynamour's
in socage, and which came to Ralph as next of kin to William, son and heir
of the said John Fynamour, in wardship of the minority of the said William.
ref. 1720/215 - date: 1395
Witd: Sir John Roche and Sir John Blount, knights, Richard Witcombe,
Robert Salemon, Roger Alingge, William Arnold, Henry Hobbekyns.
Isle of Wight Record Office: The Oglander Collection [OG/A - OG/Z]
The Oglander Collection
Catalogue Ref. OG
Creator(s):
Oglander family of Nunwell, Brading, Isle of Wight
TITLE DEEDS
HARDINGSHUTE
Grant - ref. OG/B/7 - date: c 1295
Witness: Thomas de Aveliers, John de Wyville, Henry D'Oglondre, Thomas
Juel, Thomas Daccombe, Simon d'Aubermare, Peter Dorwal, Benedict la Roche,
Henry Mey, William le Somenyr.
Quitclaim - ref. OG/B/9 - date: 15 July 1295
Witness: Thomas de Wyllers, John de Wyvil, Henry Dogelandre, Simon
de Aubermare, Peter Dorewall, Benedict le Roche, William le Somenir
CHALE
Grant - ref. OG/Q/1 - date: c 1250
Witness: Richard de Langeford, Jordan de Insula, Bernard de Snape,
Adam de Barneville, William de Chale, Simon de Chale, William Roche, Simon
de Walpanne, Richard de Walwey, William de Hale
Grant - ref. OG/Q/2 - date: c 1250
Witness: Dominus Richard de Langeford, Everard de Snape, Adam de Barnevell,
William de Chale, Nicholas de Walweye, William Fraunkeleyn, Edward [?]
Wade, William Roche, Robert le Burche
COURT ROLLS AND OTHER MANORIAL DOCUMENTS
THE MANOR OF WHITEFIELD
Survey - ref. OG/X/49 - date: c 1559
1. Thomas Marche for Roche's tenement in the town of Brading
Court Baron - ref. OG/X/52 - date: 2 April 1576
Walter Brabant, gent., takes Roche's tenement and 18 acres in Brading
on lives of himself and Richard and Bridget, his children
Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Chippenham and Stanleigh Deeds
Chippenham & Stanleigh Deeds
Catalogue Ref. 1213
Creator(s):
Chippenham Estate
Stanleigh Estate
ref. 1213/11 - date: 30 March 1286
Witnesses: Richard Pig, Richard Horn, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert
le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr.
ref. 1213/12 - date: [1286]
Similar quitclaim by Richard Horn of Chyppeham. Witnesses: Richard
Pyg, Laurence de Stodlegh, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey
Fynemour. At Chippenham, Wednesday after the feast of St. Gregory the Pope
14 Edward I.
ref. 1213/14 - date: [1286]
Similar quitclaim by Adam Harding of Chippeham. Witnesses: Richard
Pig, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey
de Finemor.
ref. 1213/18 - date: After 1290 ?Early 14th cent
Gift by Stephen le Frie and Juliana his wife to John de la Roche and
Petronel his wife of a part of a meadow called La Brodemed which John le
Wadel had for a a term of years by grant of Osmund le Rede, Julian's father,
at a rent of 2s. 4d. a year. To hold of the chief lords of the fee, rent
to the donors a rose. Witnesses: Nicholas le Eyr, William le Wite, John
de la Forde, Adam Milis, Robert de la Clyve, Stephen le Eyr, Robert de
la Roche.
Isle of Wight Record Office: The Manor of Brook
THE MANOR OF BROOK
Catalogue Ref. AC95/32
Creator(s):
Bowreman family of Brook, Isle of Wight
THE MANOR OF BROOK
GIFT with warranty in free marriage - ref. AC95/32.1 - date: c1200
Witnesses: Lord Ralph Maskerel and Lord Henry Trenchard, Lord Adam
de Compton, William de Compton, Geoffrey St Cross, William de la Roche,
Walter de Freskewater and Reginald de la Roch
GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.2 - date: c1200
Witnesses: Lord Henry Trenchard, Adam de Compton, Robert de Shorwell,
Walter de Cheverdon, William de Compton, Geoff de Compton, William de Affeton,
Walter La Roche and Roger la Roch
GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.10 - date: c1280
Witnesses: William le Roch, William de la Putte, William Golde, William
le Vrce, Adam Roche, Adam de Compton, Robert de la Halle, and Ralph le
Leon
Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: Musgrave Family of Edenhall
Musgrave family of Edenhall
Catalogue Ref. D MUS
Creator(s):
Musgrave family of Edenhall
DEEDS RELATING TO EDENHALL - ref. D MUS 2/2
Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/28 - date: [20 May 1344]
Robert del Roche
Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/29 - date: [10 August 1349]
One messuage and three acres of land in Edenhale which were formerly
held by Robert del Roche, her father.
Gift - ref. D MUS 2/2/35 - date: [31 March 1344]
Alina daughter of Robert del Roche
Bath and North East Somerset Record Office: Ancient deeds belonging
to the Corporation of Bath
ANCIENT DEEDS BELONGING TO THE CORPORATION OF BATH
Catalogue Ref. BC 151
Creator(s):
Corporation of Bath, Somerset
BUNDLE 4.: Deeds - ref. BC 151/4
Grant - ref. BC 151/4/85 - date: 29 October, 1408
By William Honybrygge and John atte Nalre, proctors of the parish church
of St. Michael by the Bath, and all the parishioners, to John Roche, and
Alice, his wife, for their lives, of a tenement with Alice, formerly wife
of David Ryche, holds, on the north, and the tenement which Roger Coldewell
holds, on the south. Rendering therefor yearly to the proctors 7s. 1½d.,
and to the Abbot of St. Augustine, Bristol, 20 pence yearly at Michaelmas,
and to the Bishop 2½d. for land gabel (with clause of forfeiture
if the rent be in arrear one month, etc).
BUNDLE 5: Deeds - ref. BC 151/5
Grant - ref. BC 151/5/14 - date: 20 April, 1417
Witnesses: Ralph Hunt; John Savage, the elder; Robert Drewe; John Roche;
William Radestoke.
Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office: Records of the
Shirley family, Earls Ferrers. of Stauton Harold, Leicestershire
Records of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire.
Catalogue Ref. 26D53
Creator(s):
Shirley family, of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire, Earls Ferrers
MISCELLANEOUS
Ferrers Bible, pedigrees, etc.
ref. 26D53/2684 - date: 1627
31. Roche
Somerset Archive and Record Service: Walker-Heneage and Button family
and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker [DD\WHb/1323 - DD\WHb/A/240]
Walker-Heneage and Button family and estate papers, Coker Court, East
Coker
Catalogue Ref. DD\WHb
Grant - ref. DD\WHb/2170 - date: 1387
Witn. John Roche, John Moigne, Knts., John Stourton, John Wykyng, etc.
Norfolk Record Office: The Wodehouse Family of Kimberley
THE WODEHOUSE FAMILY OF KIMBERLEY
Catalogue Ref. KIM
Creator(s):
Wodehouse family of Kimberley, Norfolk
TITLE DEEDS
MEDIEVAL TITLE DEEDS
KIM 2H
Conveyance by Thomas Roche of Hingham to Emma, widow of William Osborne
of Kimberley, junior, her son John and her daughter Cristiana, of land
in Kimberley. - ref. KIM 2H/13 - date: 18 December 1 Henry IV [1399]
Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave [449/2 - 449/9]
HENGRAVE
Catalogue Ref. 449
DEEDS - ref. 449/2
OTHER COUNTIES
Wiltshire
Wiltshire [probably near Calne]: Title Deed - ref. 449/2/768 - date:
Undated [c.1280]
(i) Eva Crey of Cotes, widow, formerly wife of John de Holonde to (ii)
Gilbert de la Roche
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A2A: Oldest Roche Entry
Here's the oldest entries for roche in A2A:
Northamptonshire Record Office: Fitzwilliam (Milton) Charters [F(M)
Charter/1-1659]
FITZWILLIAM (MILTON) CHARTERS
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE DEEDS - ref. F(M) Charter/1-1659
CASTOR AND AILSWORTH DEEDS
ref. F(M) Charter/131 - date: -- after F of St Nicholas [6 Dec] xx......Edw
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GRANT by Eva le Wythe, daughter of Adam le Roche of Castre to Reginald
fil.Walteri de Castre and Edusia his wife, of hald an acre of meadow lying
in Mikillangemedue in Castre. Rent, one silver halfpenny at Christmas.
ref. F(M) Charter/207 - date: Late C13th-early C14th
GRANT by William Cordel to Adam fil.Radulphi de La Roche and Cristiana
his wife, daughter of Hawise fil.Alicia, for their homage and service and
two marks paid in hand, of a messuage and three acres of land in Castre
which the said Hawise sometime held from him, and a rood of meadow in Michilholm
by performing yearly the service attached thereto; to wit, finding, every
third year, in the hay time, two men to mow for one day, and once, during
the day, breakfast at nine o'clock for the said William; and one man to
gather the hay for one day without food; and every year at Christmas one
hen, and in the third year the bringer of the hen shall eat at the said
William's table; and every year at Christmas one halfpenny for suit, and
at Easter one halfpenny for ward, and for the Sheriff's aid, for all services
saving suit of court, and the King's foreign service namely, scutage, whenever
it shall happen to 40sh. 5d.
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http://www.bayntun-history.com/BromhamRoches.htm
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p417.htm
There is also data on the Echingham line here that was not accepted
by Rodney Dennys, Somerset herald of Arms, but there may be better evidence
in the mean time (The Howards, whom Elizabeth I granted the the Earldoms
of Essex and Arundel after having the last Fitzalan beheaded, may
have suppressed evidence of this connection of the collateral line):
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p380.htm#i23298.
ref. 1720/66 - date: c.1270-1280
Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr,
Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Robert de la
Roche. (With transcript and translation).
ref. 1720/69 - date: c.1270-1280
Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilebert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr,
Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Nicholas le
Blund, Robert de la Roche.
ref. 1720/82 - date: c.1280-1290
Witd.: Gilebert de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Gilebert le Wyte, Robert
le Blund, Henry Phelip of Quemerford, Laurence de Stodleya, Robert de Jurleby,
Thomas Puke and William de la Roche.
ref. 1720/124 - date: 1336
Witd.: John de la Roche of Bromham, Nicholas of Roude, Henry le Hert
of Devizes, John Milys of Bromham, John le Frend, Robert of Stoke, William
Aunscel of Lyttleton, Richard le Beste.
ref. 1720/128 - date: 1339
Witd.: John de la Roche, Nicholas de Roude, John Sallinges, John Herny.
ref. 1720/144 - date: 1351
Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Robert de Cauntelo, John
atte Halle, William Cryps.
ref. 1720/146 - date: 1351
Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, John atte Halle, Robert de
Cauntulo, William Crups.
ref. 1720/164 - date: 1363
Grant (at Bromham) by John de la Roche, knight, to John atte Halle
of Whetham, of all his 'standing' which he had from Ralph Scut of Sende
(Seend, Wilts.) in the lands and tenements which were formerly John Fynamour's
in socage, and which came to Ralph as next of kin to William, son and heir
of the said John Fynamour, in wardship of the minority of the said William.
ref. 1720/215 - date: 1395
Witd: Sir John Roche and Sir John Blount, knights, Richard Witcombe,
Robert Salemon, Roger Alingge, William Arnold, Henry Hobbekyns.
Isle of Wight Record Office: The Oglander Collection [OG/A - OG/Z]
The Oglander Collection
Catalogue Ref. OG
Creator(s):
Oglander family of Nunwell, Brading, Isle of Wight
TITLE DEEDS
HARDINGSHUTE
Grant - ref. OG/B/7 - date: c 1295
Witness: Thomas de Aveliers, John de Wyville, Henry D'Oglondre, Thomas
Juel, Thomas Daccombe, Simon d'Aubermare, Peter Dorwal, Benedict la Roche,
Henry Mey, William le Somenyr.
Quitclaim - ref. OG/B/9 - date: 15 July 1295
Witness: Thomas de Wyllers, John de Wyvil, Henry Dogelandre, Simon
de Aubermare, Peter Dorewall, Benedict le Roche, William le Somenir
CHALE
Grant - ref. OG/Q/1 - date: c 1250
Witness: Richard de Langeford, Jordan de Insula, Bernard de Snape,
Adam de Barneville, William de Chale, Simon de Chale, William Roche, Simon
de Walpanne, Richard de Walwey, William de Hale
Grant - ref. OG/Q/2 - date: c 1250
Witness: Dominus Richard de Langeford, Everard de Snape, Adam de Barnevell,
William de Chale, Nicholas de Walweye, William Fraunkeleyn, Edward [?]
Wade, William Roche, Robert le Burche
COURT ROLLS AND OTHER MANORIAL DOCUMENTS
THE MANOR OF WHITEFIELD
Survey - ref. OG/X/49 - date: c 1559
1. Thomas Marche for Roche's tenement in the town of Brading
Court Baron - ref. OG/X/52 - date: 2 April 1576
Walter Brabant, gent., takes Roche's tenement and 18 acres in Brading
on lives of himself and Richard and Bridget, his children
Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Chippenham and Stanleigh Deeds
Chippenham & Stanleigh Deeds
Catalogue Ref. 1213
Creator(s):
Chippenham Estate
Stanleigh Estate
ref. 1213/11 - date: 30 March 1286
Witnesses: Richard Pig, Richard Horn, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert
le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr.
ref. 1213/12 - date: [1286]
Similar quitclaim by Richard Horn of Chyppeham. Witnesses: Richard
Pyg, Laurence de Stodlegh, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey
Fynemour. At Chippenham, Wednesday after the feast of St. Gregory the Pope
14 Edward I.
ref. 1213/14 - date: [1286]
Similar quitclaim by Adam Harding of Chippeham. Witnesses: Richard
Pig, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey
de Finemor.
ref. 1213/18 - date: After 1290 ?Early 14th cent
Gift by Stephen le Frie and Juliana his wife to John de la Roche and
Petronel his wife of a part of a meadow called La Brodemed which John le
Wadel had for a a term of years by grant of Osmund le Rede, Julian's father,
at a rent of 2s. 4d. a year. To hold of the chief lords of the fee, rent
to the donors a rose. Witnesses: Nicholas le Eyr, William le Wite, John
de la Forde, Adam Milis, Robert de la Clyve, Stephen le Eyr, Robert de
la Roche.
Isle of Wight Record Office: The Manor of Brook
THE MANOR OF BROOK
Catalogue Ref. AC95/32
Creator(s):
Bowreman family of Brook, Isle of Wight
THE MANOR OF BROOK
GIFT with warranty in free marriage - ref. AC95/32.1 - date: c1200
Witnesses: Lord Ralph Maskerel and Lord Henry Trenchard, Lord Adam
de Compton, William de Compton, Geoffrey St Cross, William de la Roche,
Walter de Freskewater and Reginald de la Roch
GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.2 - date: c1200
Witnesses: Lord Henry Trenchard, Adam de Compton, Robert de Shorwell,
Walter de Cheverdon, William de Compton, Geoff de Compton, William de Affeton,
Walter La Roche and Roger la Roch
GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.10 - date: c1280
Witnesses: William le Roch, William de la Putte, William Golde, William
le Vrce, Adam Roche, Adam de Compton, Robert de la Halle, and Ralph le
Leon
Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: Musgrave Family of Edenhall
Musgrave family of Edenhall
Catalogue Ref. D MUS
Creator(s):
Musgrave family of Edenhall
DEEDS RELATING TO EDENHALL - ref. D MUS 2/2
Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/28 - date: [20 May 1344]
Robert del Roche
Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/29 - date: [10 August 1349]
One messuage and three acres of land in Edenhale which were formerly
held by Robert del Roche, her father.
Gift - ref. D MUS 2/2/35 - date: [31 March 1344]
Alina daughter of Robert del Roche
Bath and North East Somerset Record Office: Ancient deeds belonging
to the Corporation of Bath
ANCIENT DEEDS BELONGING TO THE CORPORATION OF BATH
Catalogue Ref. BC 151
Creator(s):
Corporation of Bath, Somerset
BUNDLE 4.: Deeds - ref. BC 151/4
Grant - ref. BC 151/4/85 - date: 29 October, 1408
By William Honybrygge and John atte Nalre, proctors of the parish church
of St. Michael by the Bath, and all the parishioners, to John Roche, and
Alice, his wife, for their lives, of a tenement with Alice, formerly wife
of David Ryche, holds, on the north, and the tenement which Roger Coldewell
holds, on the south. Rendering therefor yearly to the proctors 7s. 1½d.,
and to the Abbot of St. Augustine, Bristol, 20 pence yearly at Michaelmas,
and to the Bishop 2½d. for land gabel (with clause of forfeiture
if the rent be in arrear one month, etc).
BUNDLE 5: Deeds - ref. BC 151/5
Grant - ref. BC 151/5/14 - date: 20 April, 1417
Witnesses: Ralph Hunt; John Savage, the elder; Robert Drewe; John Roche;
William Radestoke.
Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office: Records of the
Shirley family, Earls Ferrers. of Stauton Harold, Leicestershire
Records of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire.
Catalogue Ref. 26D53
Creator(s):
Shirley family, of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire, Earls Ferrers
MISCELLANEOUS
Ferrers Bible, pedigrees, etc.
ref. 26D53/2684 - date: 1627
31. Roche
Somerset Archive and Record Service: Walker-Heneage and Button family
and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker [DD\WHb/1323 - DD\WHb/A/240]
Walker-Heneage and Button family and estate papers, Coker Court, East
Coker
Catalogue Ref. DD\WHb
Grant - ref. DD\WHb/2170 - date: 1387
Witn. John Roche, John Moigne, Knts., John Stourton, John Wykyng, etc.
Norfolk Record Office: The Wodehouse Family of Kimberley
THE WODEHOUSE FAMILY OF KIMBERLEY
Catalogue Ref. KIM
Creator(s):
Wodehouse family of Kimberley, Norfolk
TITLE DEEDS
MEDIEVAL TITLE DEEDS
KIM 2H
Conveyance by Thomas Roche of Hingham to Emma, widow of William Osborne
of Kimberley, junior, her son John and her daughter Cristiana, of land
in Kimberley. - ref. KIM 2H/13 - date: 18 December 1 Henry IV [1399]
Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave [449/2 - 449/9]
HENGRAVE
Catalogue Ref. 449
DEEDS - ref. 449/2
OTHER COUNTIES
Wiltshire
Wiltshire [probably near Calne]: Title Deed - ref. 449/2/768 - date:
Undated [c.1280]
(i) Eva Crey of Cotes, widow, formerly wife of John de Holonde to (ii)
Gilbert de la Roche
A2A: Oldest Roche Entry
Here's the oldest entries for roche in A2A:
Northamptonshire Record Office: Fitzwilliam (Milton) Charters [F(M)
Charter/1-1659]
FITZWILLIAM (MILTON) CHARTERS
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE DEEDS - ref. F(M) Charter/1-1659
CASTOR AND AILSWORTH DEEDS
ref. F(M) Charter/131 - date: -- after F of St Nicholas [6 Dec] xx......Edw
I
GRANT by Eva le Wythe, daughter of Adam le Roche of Castre to Reginald
fil.Walteri de Castre and Edusia his wife, of hald an acre of meadow lying
in Mikillangemedue in Castre. Rent, one silver halfpenny at Christmas.
ref. F(M) Charter/207 - date: Late C13th-early C14th
GRANT by William Cordel to Adam fil.Radulphi de La Roche and Cristiana
his wife, daughter of Hawise fil.Alicia, for their homage and service and
two marks paid in hand, of a messuage and three acres of land in Castre
which the said Hawise sometime held from him, and a rood of meadow in Michilholm
by performing yearly the service attached thereto; to wit, finding, every
third year, in the hay time, two men to mow for one day, and once, during
the day, breakfast at nine o'clock for the said William; and one man to
gather the hay for one day without food; and every year at Christmas one
hen, and in the third year the bringer of the hen shall eat at the said
William's table; and every year at Christmas one halfpenny for suit, and
at Easter one halfpenny for ward, and for the Sheriff's aid, for all services
saving suit of court, and the King's foreign service namely, scutage, whenever
it shall happen to 40sh. 5d.