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    Ro21 Gilbert de la Roche of Bromham


    Ro21 Gilbert de la Roche was possibly the son of John de la Roche
    Born: about 1245
    Married: about 1270 Christiana ?
    Died: about 1300
    The deeds shown below indicate the Gilbert died before 1290 and that his son John was administrating family affair by then. The appearance of Robert de la Roche as a witness in 1290 coupled with Gilbert's daughter becoming heiress of John leads us to believe Robert was a cousin or a predeceased son or brother of John.

    The following records 
    found at 
    http://rochegenealogy.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_rochegenealogy_archive.html
    and copied in the box on the lower right show evidence of A Gilbert de la Roche in Wiltshire from1270 to 1290, then he is succeeded by John de la Roche:


    The name on the coat of arms suggests that it was first granted to the son of Godebert who lived at Roche. 
    A similar coat of arms but with a blue field is quartered in the coat of arms for Robert Nicholas Ni14 as noted in the Heralds Visitation of 1563 the descent from Dionisia de la Roch must have been examined then.
    For the All Cannings Nicholas family there is possibly already a change in the Crest over the Coat of Arms (the change definitely does apply for the Maningford Bruce and Brockenborough branch and for the Coate in Bishop's Cannings branch):
    Arms: Quarterly: 1 & 4, Azure, a chevron engrailed between three owls or; 2; Gules, a chevron between three sand-boxes reversed, issuing sand or SANDON; 3, Azure, three roach nainl in pale argent DE LA ROCH.
    Crest :--A human eye surrounded by clouds proper. (Obliterated in 1 C. 22 by a piece of paper on which is drawn On a chapeau azure, turned up ermine, all owl rising or). (The comment in parentheses seems to read that in the Herald's notes there is a piece of paper obliterating the new crest with a repetition of the original crest "On a chapeau azure ... owl rising or", which does not make much sense, unless the All Cannings branch applied for a new crest and later changed back to the original one.
    Gilbert de la Roch and Christiana had a son and a daughter:

    John de la Roch (Ro20-1), ("miles" in the Herald's notes b. about 1270, married Petronel.
    Dionisia de la Roch (Ro20)
     
     

    William de la Roche also appears between 1280 and 90 and may be another son or nephew of Gilbert.

    Robert de la Roche also appears as early as 1270 and as a witness after 1290 and may be a brother of Gilbert with property of his own.
     
     
     

    Stirnet has the following Roche pedigrees.
    1 Godebert de Roche , but these are the Roches who went to Ireland rather early, not the ones still in Wiltshire in the 13th century.
    2 Maurice Roche of Fermoy, who descends from one of the first generation sons in the above pedigree.
    3
     


    Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Money-Kyrle Family
    THE MONEY - KYRLE FAMILY
    Catalogue Ref. 1720
    Creator(s):
    Money-Kyrle family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
    Kyrle, Money-family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
    ESTATE
    PRE-1500 TITLE DEEDS, ETC

    ref. 1720/66 - date: c.1270-1280
    Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr, Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Robert de la Roche. (With transcript and translation).

    ref. 1720/69 - date: c.1270-1280
    Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilebert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr, Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Nicholas le Blund, Robert de la Roche.

    ref. 1720/82 - date: c.1280-1290
    Witd.: Gilebert de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Gilebert le Wyte, Robert le Blund, Henry Phelip of Quemerford, Laurence de Stodleya, Robert de Jurleby, Thomas Puke and William de la Roche.

    ref. 1720/124 - date: 1336
    Witd.: John de la Roche of Bromham, Nicholas of Roude, Henry le Hert of Devizes, John Milys of Bromham, John le Frend, Robert of Stoke, William Aunscel of Lyttleton, Richard le Beste.

    ref. 1720/128 - date: 1339
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Nicholas de Roude, John Sallinges, John Herny.

    ref. 1720/144 - date: 1351
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Robert de Cauntelo, John atte Halle, William Cryps.

    ref. 1720/146 - date: 1351
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, John atte Halle, Robert de Cauntulo, William Crups.

    ref. 1720/164 - date: 1363
    Grant (at Bromham) by John de la Roche, knight, to John atte Halle of Whetham, of all his 'standing' which he had from Ralph Scut of Sende (Seend, Wilts.) in the lands and tenements which were formerly John Fynamour's in socage, and which came to Ralph as next of kin to William, son and heir of the said John Fynamour, in wardship of the minority of the said William.

    ref. 1720/215 - date: 1395
    Witd: Sir John Roche and Sir John Blount, knights, Richard Witcombe, Robert Salemon, Roger Alingge, William Arnold, Henry Hobbekyns.

    ref. 1213/12 - date: [1286]
    Similar quitclaim by Richard Horn of Chyppeham. Witnesses: Richard Pyg, Laurence de Stodlegh, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey Fynemour. At Chippenham, Wednesday after the feast of St. Gregory the Pope 14 Edward I.

    ref. 1213/14 - date: [1286]
    Similar quitclaim by Adam Harding of Chippeham. Witnesses: Richard Pig, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey de Finemor.

    ref. 1213/18 - date: After 1290 ?Early 14th cent
    Gift by Stephen le Frie and Juliana his wife to John de la Roche and Petronel his wife of a part of a meadow called La Brodemed which John le Wadel had for a a term of years by grant of Osmund le Rede, Julian's father, at a rent of 2s. 4d. a year. To hold of the chief lords of the fee, rent to the donors a rose. Witnesses: Nicholas le Eyr, William le Wite, John de la Forde, Adam Milis, Robert de la Clyve, Stephen le Eyr, Robert de la Roche.

     

    Ethnically the de la Roch family seems to have been Cambro-Fleming http://www3.sympatico.ca/jfroache/addR.html
    This website gives a very interesting account of the Welsh-Flemish involvement in Ireland starting in 1166 and lasting a hundred years. And it shows some Irish misunderstandings about "Anglo-Norman" invasion and continues with some mention of the de la Roch family in England/Wales as follows:
    "Things are little different in Wales. The furthest back we can go with any authority there is to "The Chronicle of the Princes" (Brut y Tywsogyon) --- although it was a continuation of Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia Regum Britanniae. The Chronicle has survived several Welsh translations of an original Latin version, which has not survived. It records that the Normans arriving in Wales to defend the Marche (border) and notes they spoke French.

    "It confirms the systematic planting of Flemish settlers in the hundred of Rhos [Roose] and Dauglleddau about 1106, 1108 and 1111 AD by Henry I., Count de La Roche [b. 1068-9 in Selby, Yorkshire, England; d. 1135 in Angers, Maine-et-Loire, France]. The castles of Haverfordwest and Tenby, plus lesser "towers" were erected to protect the Flemish, and, despite fierce attacks by the Welsh princes, their domain grew, helped by another infusion in 1156 under Henry II. Their customs and people can easily be identified in Wales today.

    "Henry I had no love for his elder brothers and when William II was killed, Henry had himself elected and crowned king while Robert was away on crusade. His marriage (1100) to Edith of Scotland, daughter of Malcolm III of Scotland and niece of Edgar Atheling, gained him some popularity with his English (as opposed to Norman) subjects. The marriage united the Norman line with old English line of kings but displeased the Norman barons.

    "As a concession to them, Edith changed her name to Matilda upon becoming queen. Henry's reign continued to be troubled by uprisings in Normandy led by his nephew and encouraged by Louis VI of France, who was almost constantly at war with Henry. Because of his only legitimate son, William Atheling, being drowned (1120), and his second marriage, (29 January 1121) to Adeliza, daughter of Godfrey, Count of Louvain, being childless, he attempted to secure the succession for his daughter Matilda (Maude).

    "Henry I holds the record for the largest number of acknowledged illegitimate children born to any English king, around 20 or 25. He had many mistresses, and identifying which mistress is the mother of which child is difficult. His illegitimate offspring, for whom there is documentation were (according to one list):

    "Robert fitzRoy. His mother was probably a member of the Gai family.
    Sibylla fitzRoy, married King Alexander I of Scotland. Probably the daughter of Sibyl Corbet.
    Reginald FitzRoy. His mother was Sibyl Corbet.
    Maude FitzRoy, married Conan III, Duke of Brittany
    Richard FitzRoy, perished in the wreck of the White Ship. His mother was Ansfride.
    Fulk FitzRoy, a monk at Abingdon. His mother may have been Ansfride.
    Juliane FitzRoy, married Eustace de Pacy. She tried to shoot her father with a crossbow after King Henry allowed her two young daughters to be blinded. Her mother may have been Ansfride.
    Matilda FitzRoy, married Count Rotrou II of Perche, perished in the wreck of the White Ship. Her mother was Edith.
    Constance FitzRoy, married Roscelin de Beaumont
    Henry FitzRoy, died 1157. His mother was Princess Nesta
    Mabel FitzRoy, married William III Gouet
    Aline FitzRoy, married Matthieu I of Montmorency
    Isabel FitzRoy, daughter of Isabel de Beaumont, sister of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.
    Matilda FitzRoy, abbess of Montvilliers
    Adeliza FitzRoy. Appears in charters with her brother Robert (below), she was probably daughter of Eda FitzForne.
    Robert FitzRoy, died 1172. His mother was Eda FitzForne.
    William de Tracy, died shortly after King Henry.
    Gilbert FitzRoy, died after 1142. His mother may have been a sister of Walter de Gand.
    "While the Flemish-Cambro de Roch surname (as opposed to the Norse one) has a number of possible associations to explain it's origins (Roch Parish, etc), there is the possibility that it was a deliberate tribute to their patron, Henry I, former Duke de la Roche.

    "One of Godebert's grandsons was named Henry and became Henry de la Roche in Ireland. Strangely too, Godebert, in some pedigrees, is said to have been born in Pembroke[shire] about 1096 - why then was he known as Godebert Flandrensis [of Flanders]??? I don't think anyone - myself included - can answer with authority.

    "If he preceded Henry's transplantation, how far back does the family go on the western side of the Channel??? Flemings had been in Scotland in 1066, and there was a second wave of immigration to Scotland later in that century. They joined relatives already there, their royal kinsmen, successively kings of Scotland and often in trouble with Norman England.

    "In Scotland, the seed of the Eustaces ruled untroubled from the marriage of Maude de Lens to David I. Supported by descendants of her own house of Boulogne and their kinsmen, men such as Walter the Fleming (now Seton), Gilbert of Ghent/Alost (now Lindsay), Robert de Comines St Pol (now Comyn and Buchan), Arnulf de Hesdin (now Stewart and Graham), the counts of Louvain (now Bruce), the hereditary advocates of Bethune (now Beaton), the hereditary Castellans of Lille (now Lyle), and their followers, the line continued on the throne until the death of Alexander II in 1286.

    "Wars of the Scottish succession were intimately concerned with the Flemish presence. Flemings had married Flemings, and south and east Scotland were largely populated by men and women whose ancestors had come from Gent, Guines, Ardres, Comines, St Omer, St Pol, Hesdin, Lille, Tournai, Douai, Bethune, Boulogne.

    The 1290 break in the Scottish-Boulonnais succession allowed the Plantagenet-Angevin monarchy in England to annul the Charlemagnic descent. The clans emerged from the turmoil of the 12th and 13th centuries when the Scottish crown pacified northern rebellions and re-conquered areas taken by the Norse, and after the fall of Macbeth, the crown became increasingly Plantagenet.

    "The instability caused by the Wars of Scottish Independence brought in warlords with Norman, Anglian and Flemish ancestry --- founding clans such as the Camerons, Frasers, Chisholms, Menzies and Grants.

    "Robert Bruce was directly descended by several lines from both Charlemagne and Davidís Queen Maude and eligible for the Scottish throne. Robertís ancestor came into England carrying the azure lion of Louvain, whose Maude de Louvain was the wife of Count Eustace I of Boulogne.

    "Members of Robertís family may well have been granted estates in Normandy at Brix by a Conqueror anxious to procure both their allegiance and their Flemish ability to provide trade (good thinking - judging by the evaluation of them by Giraldus - below). Yet Edward I was dismayed at Bruce's coronation at Scone on March 27, 1306.

    "Edward was out of touch - there was a Flemish connection between the north of England, Scotland and Wales...unafraid to assert its rights.

    "But back to Wales....according to Giraldus Cambrensis - Gerald de Manorier (Arch. Camb., V, xii, 103), "the Flemish were a people "brave and robust, ever hostile to the Welsh, well versed in commerce and handicraft, a hardy race, equally ready for the plough and the sword".

    "Anxious to seek gain by sea or land, in defiance of fatigue and danger, these Flemish were involved in the original Conquest of England (as they had in the occupation of Wales and transplantations elsewhere). They pressed on into Ireland - once given the chance. Men of rank among them readily adopted the language and manners of their Norman allies and later of the Irish - ironically this became their undoing.

    "Because Gerald of Wales is a major source, it may be appropriate to say a little more about him:

    "Giraldus Cambrensis (c.1146 - c.1223), also known as Gerallt Gymro in Welsh or Gerald of Wales in English, was a monk and chronicler of his times. Born at Manorbier Castle in Pembrokeshire, he was of mixed Norman and Welsh blood, his real name being Gerald de Barri. He was a nephew of the Bishop of St David's, and a grandson of Gerald de Windsor by de Windsor's marriage to the notorious Nesta, daughter of Welsh Prince Rhys ap Tewdwr. The family also claimed a relationship with Lord Rhys (Rhys ap Gruffydd).
    Gerald had a church education at Gloucester, followed by a period of study in Paris. He expected to succeed his uncle as bishop in 1176, but his Welsh blood was a problem. Despite this, he became chaplain to Henry II in 1184, and was chosen to accompany Prince John to Ireland.

    "His observations there were published as Topographia Hibernica (1188). He followed it up, shortly afterwards, with an account of Henry's "conquest" of Ireland, the Expugnatio Hibernica....no fool, he painted a flattering picture of the Cambro Normans and their allies in Ireland from the date of their arrival.

    "Next he travelled with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Baldwin of Exeter, on a tour of Wales in 1188, a recruitment campaign for the Third Crusade. His account of that journey, the Itinerarium Cambriae (1191), followed by the Descriptio Cambriae in 1194 remain valuable, but unreliable, historical documents - describing Welsh and Norman culture at that time.

    "In 1198, Gerald again hoped to become Bishop of St David's, but was rejected a second time. He repeatedly, but unsuccessfully, challenged this decision, made by Hubert Walter, Archbishop of Canterbury, before giving up in 1203, to spend the remainder of his life in study, writing and politics.
     

    "The Song of Dermot and the Earl, an Old French Poem from the Carew Manuscript No. 598 in the Archiepiscopal Library at Lambeth Palace, ed. and trans. G. H. Orpen, J. F. O'Doherty; "Historical Criticism of the Song of Dermot and the Earl," Irish Historical Studies, I (1938 ), 4 Giraldus Cambrensis, Opera, eds. J. S. Brewer et al. Part V (Expugnatio Hibernia) also provides some information presented here - 100% reliable? - NO!
    Thus, like others before me, sources generally cited, are the work of two people, plus a work of criticism of Dermot and the Earl. The rest is from conflicting accounts of "experts" and "scholars", plus oral tradition....no easy task, plenty of room for ambiguity and no place for true believers.

    "While most think "Operation Ireland" was the beginning of a major phase in history, in fact, it was pre-dated by developments which paved the way for what to the rest of Europe was an event of minor significance. There had been a tradition of Norman and allied warriors, administrators and churchmen serving in England under Edward the Confessor - House of Wessex....prior to 1066.

    "Some reorganized Anglo-Saxon defenses along the Welsh border about 1055, and the Flemish (or Norman-Flemish), were involved in that as well. This would explain the apparent contradiction in Godebert's name and birth date/place. In short, the family at Roch may have been in Wales before 1100 AD.

    "This obviously did nothing to prevent the Norman Conquest of England that set the stage for wholesale occupation and transition of power after 1066. The six-thousand strong army (including 1200 knights) which William the Conqueror ferried across the Channel to take the English crown from King Harold (last of the House of Wessex), included many men who were NOT Norman.

    "William himself was married to Maude [Matilda] de Flanders [b. 1032 in Flanders; d. 3 Nov, 1083 in Caen, Calvados, France] eldest daughter of Baldwin V, Count of Flanders. William's continental allies were Flemish. Flemings had also followed Count Eustace II of Boulogne to England and received land grants in Scotland.
     

    "William cared more for affairs on the continent than he did about England. His ways were Norman (French) ways. His heart was in Normandy; his primary concerns were Flanders, Brittany, Maine, Blois, and Ile de France.
    With the Conquest behind them, the Normans, fifty years later, under Henry I, again looked to Flanders to counter Welsh resistance, so, as noted above, he sent Flemish retainers to defend his holdings as Lords of the March (a thoroughly French concept). Whether some of the original Flemish from Scotland then moved to Wales is a matter of debate - but it is a possibility.
    The names of some, who, like the Cambro-Normans, had fallen out of favour in the period between Henry ! & II, would figure prominently in "Operation Ireland" -- Roche, Prendergast, Cullen, Fleming, Cheevers, Synott, etc. It was Phillip de Prendergast, to whom the Roches were subinfeudated in Wales. He persuaded the FitzGodeberts (then, or soon to be, de Roch) to try their fortunes in Ireland, albeit Diarmait and fitzStephen had been the chief instigators.

    "Phillip, was given charters in Pembrokeshire. Again, we have claims of a forebear being with William in 1066. However, I have checked the list taken from the plaque in the church at Dives-sur-Mer, Normandy, where the Conqueror and his knights attended Mass before setting sail to England, and I did not find the surname Prenliregast, nor any variation thereof. It is more likely that, like the de Roch, the family took their surname from a place in Wales.

    "The list of the names of knights who took part in the Invasion was later falsified and lengthened (The Bayeux Tapestry, Battle Abbey Rolls, etc.) to add families wanting to improve their social standing. It must be said that it does not include the estimated 12,000 Standard Bearers, Men at Arms, Yeomen, Freemen and other ranks, and some of these were granted smaller parcels of land (as small as 1/8th of a knight's fee) for service. The Prenliregast may have been ranked in that number and gained greater stature over time.

    "Maps of the area show the placenames Roch and Pendergast - the families were from Roch and Pendergast - thus de Roch and de Pendergast. It makes sense....not to mention that my gg grandmother was a Wexford Cullen, likely derived from Colwyn Bay in North Wales (although undoubtedly having several other possible sources of origin as well).

    "In Ireland, while the de Rochs were at Artramon(t), Wexford and spreading out - but Fernegenal (Shelmalier East) was granted to Philip de Pendergast, who built the famous Castle in Enniscorthy. Construction began in 1205-6 with walls and trenches completed in 1225-28 AD, about the time of Phillip's death. Note that after Strongbow was made King's Viceroy in 1173, a large number of Norman, Flemish, English and Welsh settlers were brought to southern Ireland. Some followed the de Roch(e)s as far north as Enniscorthy.

    "Strange this - Maurice's eldest son Philip, who had originally accompanied his father to Ireland, married Maude, daughter of Robert de Quincy, Constable and Standard Bearer of Leinster about 1190. He received the town of Enniscorthy in exchange for other lands in 1217 (not 1205 - when construction began?) and died in 1226 (just as the Castle was being completed). He left only one surviving son, another Philip, by then Lord of Manor of Drangan, Co. Tipperary.

    "If Phillip fitzPhilip was in Tipperary in 1228, who took possession of the Castle. Were the Roches not involved in it's construction - difficult to believe? Duffrey in northwest Co Wexford had gone to the de Pendergasts through marriage, and they relocated there about 1190 - an area originally granted to Robert de Quency for five knights' fees. And Ui Mealla (Gorey) had passed from de Pendergast to de Roch(e) [1180]? "

    .

    Data on Enock / de la Roch:

    Data from http://rochegenealogy.blogspot.com/2004_07_01_rochegenealogy_archive.html
    Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Money-Kyrle Family
    THE MONEY - KYRLE FAMILY
    Catalogue Ref. 1720
    Creator(s):
    Money-Kyrle family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
    Kyrle, Money-family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
    ESTATE
    PRE-1500 TITLE DEEDS, ETC

    ref. 1720/66 - date: c.1270-1280
    Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr, Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Robert de la Roche. (With transcript and translation).

    ref. 1720/69 - date: c.1270-1280
    Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilebert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr, Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Nicholas le Blund, Robert de la Roche.

    ref. 1720/82 - date: c.1280-1290
    Witd.: Gilebert de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Gilebert le Wyte, Robert le Blund, Henry Phelip of Quemerford, Laurence de Stodleya, Robert de Jurleby, Thomas Puke and William de la Roche.

    ref. 1720/124 - date: 1336
    Witd.: John de la Roche of Bromham, Nicholas of Roude, Henry le Hert of Devizes, John Milys of Bromham, John le Frend, Robert of Stoke, William Aunscel of Lyttleton, Richard le Beste.

    ref. 1720/128 - date: 1339
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Nicholas de Roude, John Sallinges, John Herny.

    ref. 1720/144 - date: 1351
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Robert de Cauntelo, John atte Halle, William Cryps.

    ref. 1720/146 - date: 1351
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, John atte Halle, Robert de Cauntulo, William Crups.

    ref. 1720/164 - date: 1363
    Grant (at Bromham) by John de la Roche, knight, to John atte Halle of Whetham, of all his 'standing' which he had from Ralph Scut of Sende (Seend, Wilts.) in the lands and tenements which were formerly John Fynamour's in socage, and which came to Ralph as next of kin to William, son and heir of the said John Fynamour, in wardship of the minority of the said William.

    ref. 1720/215 - date: 1395
    Witd: Sir John Roche and Sir John Blount, knights, Richard Witcombe, Robert Salemon, Roger Alingge, William Arnold, Henry Hobbekyns.
     

    Isle of Wight Record Office: The Oglander Collection [OG/A - OG/Z]
    The Oglander Collection
    Catalogue Ref. OG
    Creator(s):
    Oglander family of Nunwell, Brading, Isle of Wight
    TITLE DEEDS

    HARDINGSHUTE
    Grant - ref. OG/B/7 - date: c 1295
    Witness: Thomas de Aveliers, John de Wyville, Henry D'Oglondre, Thomas Juel, Thomas Daccombe, Simon d'Aubermare, Peter Dorwal, Benedict la Roche, Henry Mey, William le Somenyr.

    Quitclaim - ref. OG/B/9 - date: 15 July 1295
    Witness: Thomas de Wyllers, John de Wyvil, Henry Dogelandre, Simon de Aubermare, Peter Dorewall, Benedict le Roche, William le Somenir

    CHALE
    Grant - ref. OG/Q/1 - date: c 1250
    Witness: Richard de Langeford, Jordan de Insula, Bernard de Snape, Adam de Barneville, William de Chale, Simon de Chale, William Roche, Simon de Walpanne, Richard de Walwey, William de Hale

    Grant - ref. OG/Q/2 - date: c 1250
    Witness: Dominus Richard de Langeford, Everard de Snape, Adam de Barnevell, William de Chale, Nicholas de Walweye, William Fraunkeleyn, Edward [?] Wade, William Roche, Robert le Burche

    COURT ROLLS AND OTHER MANORIAL DOCUMENTS
    THE MANOR OF WHITEFIELD
    Survey - ref. OG/X/49 - date: c 1559
    1. Thomas Marche for Roche's tenement in the town of Brading

    Court Baron - ref. OG/X/52 - date: 2 April 1576
    Walter Brabant, gent., takes Roche's tenement and 18 acres in Brading on lives of himself and Richard and Bridget, his children

    Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Chippenham and Stanleigh Deeds
    Chippenham & Stanleigh Deeds
    Catalogue Ref. 1213
    Creator(s):
    Chippenham Estate
    Stanleigh Estate

    ref. 1213/11 - date: 30 March 1286
    Witnesses: Richard Pig, Richard Horn, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr.

    ref. 1213/12 - date: [1286]
    Similar quitclaim by Richard Horn of Chyppeham. Witnesses: Richard Pyg, Laurence de Stodlegh, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey Fynemour. At Chippenham, Wednesday after the feast of St. Gregory the Pope 14 Edward I.

    ref. 1213/14 - date: [1286]
    Similar quitclaim by Adam Harding of Chippeham. Witnesses: Richard Pig, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey de Finemor.

    ref. 1213/18 - date: After 1290 ?Early 14th cent
    Gift by Stephen le Frie and Juliana his wife to John de la Roche and Petronel his wife of a part of a meadow called La Brodemed which John le Wadel had for a a term of years by grant of Osmund le Rede, Julian's father, at a rent of 2s. 4d. a year. To hold of the chief lords of the fee, rent to the donors a rose. Witnesses: Nicholas le Eyr, William le Wite, John de la Forde, Adam Milis, Robert de la Clyve, Stephen le Eyr, Robert de la Roche.

    Isle of Wight Record Office: The Manor of Brook
    THE MANOR OF BROOK
    Catalogue Ref. AC95/32
    Creator(s):
    Bowreman family of Brook, Isle of Wight
    THE MANOR OF BROOK

    GIFT with warranty in free marriage - ref. AC95/32.1 - date: c1200
    Witnesses: Lord Ralph Maskerel and Lord Henry Trenchard, Lord Adam de Compton, William de Compton, Geoffrey St Cross, William de la Roche, Walter de Freskewater and Reginald de la Roch

    GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.2 - date: c1200
    Witnesses: Lord Henry Trenchard, Adam de Compton, Robert de Shorwell, Walter de Cheverdon, William de Compton, Geoff de Compton, William de Affeton, Walter La Roche and Roger la Roch

    GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.10 - date: c1280
    Witnesses: William le Roch, William de la Putte, William Golde, William le Vrce, Adam Roche, Adam de Compton, Robert de la Halle, and Ralph le Leon
     

    Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: Musgrave Family of Edenhall
    Musgrave family of Edenhall
    Catalogue Ref. D MUS
    Creator(s):
    Musgrave family of Edenhall
    DEEDS RELATING TO EDENHALL - ref. D MUS 2/2

    Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/28 - date: [20 May 1344]
    Robert del Roche

    Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/29 - date: [10 August 1349]
    One messuage and three acres of land in Edenhale which were formerly held by Robert del Roche, her father.

    Gift - ref. D MUS 2/2/35 - date: [31 March 1344]
    Alina daughter of Robert del Roche

    Bath and North East Somerset Record Office: Ancient deeds belonging to the Corporation of Bath
    ANCIENT DEEDS BELONGING TO THE CORPORATION OF BATH
    Catalogue Ref. BC 151
    Creator(s):
    Corporation of Bath, Somerset
    BUNDLE 4.: Deeds - ref. BC 151/4

    Grant - ref. BC 151/4/85 - date: 29 October, 1408
    By William Honybrygge and John atte Nalre, proctors of the parish church of St. Michael by the Bath, and all the parishioners, to John Roche, and Alice, his wife, for their lives, of a tenement with Alice, formerly wife of David Ryche, holds, on the north, and the tenement which Roger Coldewell holds, on the south. Rendering therefor yearly to the proctors 7s. 1½d., and to the Abbot of St. Augustine, Bristol, 20 pence yearly at Michaelmas, and to the Bishop 2½d. for land gabel (with clause of forfeiture if the rent be in arrear one month, etc).

    BUNDLE 5: Deeds - ref. BC 151/5
    Grant - ref. BC 151/5/14 - date: 20 April, 1417
    Witnesses: Ralph Hunt; John Savage, the elder; Robert Drewe; John Roche; William Radestoke.
     

    Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office: Records of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers. of Stauton Harold, Leicestershire
    Records of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire.
    Catalogue Ref. 26D53
    Creator(s):
    Shirley family, of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire, Earls Ferrers
    MISCELLANEOUS
    Ferrers Bible, pedigrees, etc.
    ref. 26D53/2684 - date: 1627
    31. Roche

    Somerset Archive and Record Service: Walker-Heneage and Button family and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker [DD\WHb/1323 - DD\WHb/A/240]
    Walker-Heneage and Button family and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker
    Catalogue Ref. DD\WHb
    Grant - ref. DD\WHb/2170 - date: 1387
    Witn. John Roche, John Moigne, Knts., John Stourton, John Wykyng, etc.

    Norfolk Record Office: The Wodehouse Family of Kimberley
    THE WODEHOUSE FAMILY OF KIMBERLEY
    Catalogue Ref. KIM
    Creator(s):
    Wodehouse family of Kimberley, Norfolk
    TITLE DEEDS
    MEDIEVAL TITLE DEEDS
    KIM 2H
    Conveyance by Thomas Roche of Hingham to Emma, widow of William Osborne of Kimberley, junior, her son John and her daughter Cristiana, of land in Kimberley. - ref. KIM 2H/13 - date: 18 December 1 Henry IV [1399]

    Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave [449/2 - 449/9]
    HENGRAVE
    Catalogue Ref. 449
    DEEDS - ref. 449/2
    OTHER COUNTIES
    Wiltshire
    Wiltshire [probably near Calne]: Title Deed - ref. 449/2/768 - date: Undated [c.1280]
    (i) Eva Crey of Cotes, widow, formerly wife of John de Holonde to (ii) Gilbert de la Roche
     
     

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    A2A: Oldest Roche Entry

    Here's the oldest entries for roche in A2A:

    Northamptonshire Record Office: Fitzwilliam (Milton) Charters [F(M) Charter/1-1659]
    FITZWILLIAM (MILTON) CHARTERS
    NORTHAMPTONSHIRE DEEDS - ref. F(M) Charter/1-1659
    CASTOR AND AILSWORTH DEEDS

    ref. F(M) Charter/131 - date: -- after F of St Nicholas [6 Dec] xx......Edw I
    GRANT by Eva le Wythe, daughter of Adam le Roche of Castre to Reginald fil.Walteri de Castre and Edusia his wife, of hald an acre of meadow lying in Mikillangemedue in Castre. Rent, one silver halfpenny at Christmas.

    ref. F(M) Charter/207 - date: Late C13th-early C14th
    GRANT by William Cordel to Adam fil.Radulphi de La Roche and Cristiana his wife, daughter of Hawise fil.Alicia, for their homage and service and two marks paid in hand, of a messuage and three acres of land in Castre which the said Hawise sometime held from him, and a rood of meadow in Michilholm by performing yearly the service attached thereto; to wit, finding, every third year, in the hay time, two men to mow for one day, and once, during the day, breakfast at nine o'clock for the said William; and one man to gather the hay for one day without food; and every year at Christmas one hen, and in the third year the bringer of the hen shall eat at the said William's table; and every year at Christmas one halfpenny for suit, and at Easter one halfpenny for ward, and for the Sheriff's aid, for all services saving suit of court, and the King's foreign service namely, scutage, whenever it shall happen to 40sh. 5d.
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    http://www.bayntun-history.com/BromhamRoches.htm

    http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p417.htm
    There is also data on the Echingham line here that was not accepted by Rodney Dennys, Somerset herald of Arms, but there may be better evidence in the mean time (The Howards, whom Elizabeth I granted the the Earldoms of Essex and Arundel after having  the last Fitzalan beheaded, may have suppressed evidence of this connection of the collateral line):
    http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p380.htm#i23298.



    Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Money-Kyrle Family
    THE MONEY - KYRLE FAMILY
    Catalogue Ref. 1720
    Creator(s):
    Money-Kyrle family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
    Kyrle, Money-family of Whetham, Calne, Wiltshire
    ESTATE
    PRE-1500 TITLE DEEDS, ETC

    ref. 1720/66 - date: c.1270-1280
    Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr, Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Robert de la Roche. (With transcript and translation).

    ref. 1720/69 - date: c.1270-1280
    Witd.: Laurence de Stodleye, Gilebert de la Roche, Nicholas le Eyr, Robert le Blund, Walter de Brudeferd, William de Depegate, Nicholas le Blund, Robert de la Roche.

    ref. 1720/82 - date: c.1280-1290
    Witd.: Gilebert de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Gilebert le Wyte, Robert le Blund, Henry Phelip of Quemerford, Laurence de Stodleya, Robert de Jurleby, Thomas Puke and William de la Roche.

    ref. 1720/124 - date: 1336
    Witd.: John de la Roche of Bromham, Nicholas of Roude, Henry le Hert of Devizes, John Milys of Bromham, John le Frend, Robert of Stoke, William Aunscel of Lyttleton, Richard le Beste.

    ref. 1720/128 - date: 1339
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Nicholas de Roude, John Sallinges, John Herny.

    ref. 1720/144 - date: 1351
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, Robert de Cauntelo, John atte Halle, William Cryps.

    ref. 1720/146 - date: 1351
    Witd.: John de la Roche, Geoffrey le Eyr, John atte Halle, Robert de Cauntulo, William Crups.

    ref. 1720/164 - date: 1363
    Grant (at Bromham) by John de la Roche, knight, to John atte Halle of Whetham, of all his 'standing' which he had from Ralph Scut of Sende (Seend, Wilts.) in the lands and tenements which were formerly John Fynamour's in socage, and which came to Ralph as next of kin to William, son and heir of the said John Fynamour, in wardship of the minority of the said William.

    ref. 1720/215 - date: 1395
    Witd: Sir John Roche and Sir John Blount, knights, Richard Witcombe, Robert Salemon, Roger Alingge, William Arnold, Henry Hobbekyns.
     

    Isle of Wight Record Office: The Oglander Collection [OG/A - OG/Z]
    The Oglander Collection
    Catalogue Ref. OG
    Creator(s):
    Oglander family of Nunwell, Brading, Isle of Wight
    TITLE DEEDS

    HARDINGSHUTE
    Grant - ref. OG/B/7 - date: c 1295
    Witness: Thomas de Aveliers, John de Wyville, Henry D'Oglondre, Thomas Juel, Thomas Daccombe, Simon d'Aubermare, Peter Dorwal, Benedict la Roche, Henry Mey, William le Somenyr.

    Quitclaim - ref. OG/B/9 - date: 15 July 1295
    Witness: Thomas de Wyllers, John de Wyvil, Henry Dogelandre, Simon de Aubermare, Peter Dorewall, Benedict le Roche, William le Somenir

    CHALE
    Grant - ref. OG/Q/1 - date: c 1250
    Witness: Richard de Langeford, Jordan de Insula, Bernard de Snape, Adam de Barneville, William de Chale, Simon de Chale, William Roche, Simon de Walpanne, Richard de Walwey, William de Hale

    Grant - ref. OG/Q/2 - date: c 1250
    Witness: Dominus Richard de Langeford, Everard de Snape, Adam de Barnevell, William de Chale, Nicholas de Walweye, William Fraunkeleyn, Edward [?] Wade, William Roche, Robert le Burche

    COURT ROLLS AND OTHER MANORIAL DOCUMENTS
    THE MANOR OF WHITEFIELD
    Survey - ref. OG/X/49 - date: c 1559
    1. Thomas Marche for Roche's tenement in the town of Brading

    Court Baron - ref. OG/X/52 - date: 2 April 1576
    Walter Brabant, gent., takes Roche's tenement and 18 acres in Brading on lives of himself and Richard and Bridget, his children
     

    Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office: Chippenham and Stanleigh Deeds
    Chippenham & Stanleigh Deeds
    Catalogue Ref. 1213
    Creator(s):
    Chippenham Estate
    Stanleigh Estate

    ref. 1213/11 - date: 30 March 1286
    Witnesses: Richard Pig, Richard Horn, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr.

    ref. 1213/12 - date: [1286]
    Similar quitclaim by Richard Horn of Chyppeham. Witnesses: Richard Pyg, Laurence de Stodlegh, Gilbert le Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey Fynemour. At Chippenham, Wednesday after the feast of St. Gregory the Pope 14 Edward I.

    ref. 1213/14 - date: [1286]
    Similar quitclaim by Adam Harding of Chippeham. Witnesses: Richard Pig, Laurence de Stodleye, Gilbert de la Roche, Nicholas le Heyr, Geoffrey de Finemor.

    ref. 1213/18 - date: After 1290 ?Early 14th cent
    Gift by Stephen le Frie and Juliana his wife to John de la Roche and Petronel his wife of a part of a meadow called La Brodemed which John le Wadel had for a a term of years by grant of Osmund le Rede, Julian's father, at a rent of 2s. 4d. a year. To hold of the chief lords of the fee, rent to the donors a rose. Witnesses: Nicholas le Eyr, William le Wite, John de la Forde, Adam Milis, Robert de la Clyve, Stephen le Eyr, Robert de la Roche.

    Isle of Wight Record Office: The Manor of Brook
    THE MANOR OF BROOK
    Catalogue Ref. AC95/32
    Creator(s):
    Bowreman family of Brook, Isle of Wight
    THE MANOR OF BROOK

    GIFT with warranty in free marriage - ref. AC95/32.1 - date: c1200
    Witnesses: Lord Ralph Maskerel and Lord Henry Trenchard, Lord Adam de Compton, William de Compton, Geoffrey St Cross, William de la Roche, Walter de Freskewater and Reginald de la Roch

    GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.2 - date: c1200
    Witnesses: Lord Henry Trenchard, Adam de Compton, Robert de Shorwell, Walter de Cheverdon, William de Compton, Geoff de Compton, William de Affeton, Walter La Roche and Roger la Roch

    GIFT with warranty - ref. AC95/32.10 - date: c1280
    Witnesses: William le Roch, William de la Putte, William Golde, William le Vrce, Adam Roche, Adam de Compton, Robert de la Halle, and Ralph le Leon
     

    Cumbria Record Office, Carlisle Headquarters: Musgrave Family of Edenhall
    Musgrave family of Edenhall
    Catalogue Ref. D MUS
    Creator(s):
    Musgrave family of Edenhall
    DEEDS RELATING TO EDENHALL - ref. D MUS 2/2

    Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/28 - date: [20 May 1344]
    Robert del Roche

    Quitclaim - ref. D MUS 2/2/29 - date: [10 August 1349]
    One messuage and three acres of land in Edenhale which were formerly held by Robert del Roche, her father.

    Gift - ref. D MUS 2/2/35 - date: [31 March 1344]
    Alina daughter of Robert del Roche

    Bath and North East Somerset Record Office: Ancient deeds belonging to the Corporation of Bath
    ANCIENT DEEDS BELONGING TO THE CORPORATION OF BATH
    Catalogue Ref. BC 151
    Creator(s):
    Corporation of Bath, Somerset
    BUNDLE 4.: Deeds - ref. BC 151/4

    Grant - ref. BC 151/4/85 - date: 29 October, 1408
    By William Honybrygge and John atte Nalre, proctors of the parish church of St. Michael by the Bath, and all the parishioners, to John Roche, and Alice, his wife, for their lives, of a tenement with Alice, formerly wife of David Ryche, holds, on the north, and the tenement which Roger Coldewell holds, on the south. Rendering therefor yearly to the proctors 7s. 1½d., and to the Abbot of St. Augustine, Bristol, 20 pence yearly at Michaelmas, and to the Bishop 2½d. for land gabel (with clause of forfeiture if the rent be in arrear one month, etc).

    BUNDLE 5: Deeds - ref. BC 151/5
    Grant - ref. BC 151/5/14 - date: 20 April, 1417
    Witnesses: Ralph Hunt; John Savage, the elder; Robert Drewe; John Roche; William Radestoke.
     

    Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Record Office: Records of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers. of Stauton Harold, Leicestershire
    Records of the Shirley family, Earls Ferrers of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire.
    Catalogue Ref. 26D53
    Creator(s):
    Shirley family, of Staunton Harold, Leicestershire, Earls Ferrers
    MISCELLANEOUS
    Ferrers Bible, pedigrees, etc.
    ref. 26D53/2684 - date: 1627
    31. Roche

    Somerset Archive and Record Service: Walker-Heneage and Button family and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker [DD\WHb/1323 - DD\WHb/A/240]
    Walker-Heneage and Button family and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker
    Catalogue Ref. DD\WHb
    Grant - ref. DD\WHb/2170 - date: 1387
    Witn. John Roche, John Moigne, Knts., John Stourton, John Wykyng, etc.

    Norfolk Record Office: The Wodehouse Family of Kimberley
    THE WODEHOUSE FAMILY OF KIMBERLEY
    Catalogue Ref. KIM
    Creator(s):
    Wodehouse family of Kimberley, Norfolk
    TITLE DEEDS
    MEDIEVAL TITLE DEEDS
    KIM 2H
    Conveyance by Thomas Roche of Hingham to Emma, widow of William Osborne of Kimberley, junior, her son John and her daughter Cristiana, of land in Kimberley. - ref. KIM 2H/13 - date: 18 December 1 Henry IV [1399]

    Suffolk Record Office, Bury St Edmunds Branch: Hengrave [449/2 - 449/9]
    HENGRAVE
    Catalogue Ref. 449
    DEEDS - ref. 449/2
    OTHER COUNTIES
    Wiltshire
    Wiltshire [probably near Calne]: Title Deed - ref. 449/2/768 - date: Undated [c.1280]
    (i) Eva Crey of Cotes, widow, formerly wife of John de Holonde to (ii) Gilbert de la Roche
     

    A2A: Oldest Roche Entry

    Here's the oldest entries for roche in A2A:

    Northamptonshire Record Office: Fitzwilliam (Milton) Charters [F(M) Charter/1-1659]
    FITZWILLIAM (MILTON) CHARTERS
    NORTHAMPTONSHIRE DEEDS - ref. F(M) Charter/1-1659
    CASTOR AND AILSWORTH DEEDS

    ref. F(M) Charter/131 - date: -- after F of St Nicholas [6 Dec] xx......Edw I
    GRANT by Eva le Wythe, daughter of Adam le Roche of Castre to Reginald fil.Walteri de Castre and Edusia his wife, of hald an acre of meadow lying in Mikillangemedue in Castre. Rent, one silver halfpenny at Christmas.

    ref. F(M) Charter/207 - date: Late C13th-early C14th
    GRANT by William Cordel to Adam fil.Radulphi de La Roche and Cristiana his wife, daughter of Hawise fil.Alicia, for their homage and service and two marks paid in hand, of a messuage and three acres of land in Castre which the said Hawise sometime held from him, and a rood of meadow in Michilholm by performing yearly the service attached thereto; to wit, finding, every third year, in the hay time, two men to mow for one day, and once, during the day, breakfast at nine o'clock for the said William; and one man to gather the hay for one day without food; and every year at Christmas one hen, and in the third year the bringer of the hen shall eat at the said William's table; and every year at Christmas one halfpenny for suit, and at Easter one halfpenny for ward, and for the Sheriff's aid, for all services saving suit of court, and the King's foreign service namely, scutage, whenever it shall happen to 40sh. 5d.



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