Qu25 Saher de Quincy

Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester1 was the son of Robert de Quency ( b. before 1163, d. circa 1197 ) and Orable, daughter of Nes, son of William Leuchars

Born: a
Married: 1st ?,
2nd Margaret Beaumont, daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester and Pernel Grandmesnil.
Died: 3 November 1219 in Damietta.
2nd Damietta is a port in Dimyat, Egypt on the Mediterranean Sea at the Nile delta, about 200 kilometres north of Cairo.
In ancient Egypt the city was known as Tamiat, but it became less important in the Hellenic period after the construction of Alexandria.

Capture of Damiette by Frisian crusaders. Damietta was important in the 12th and 13th centuries during the time of the Crusades. In 1169 a fleet from the Kingdom of Jerusalem, with support from the Byzantine Empire, attacked the port, but it was defeated by Saladin.
During preparations for the Fifth Crusade in 1217, it was decided that Damietta should be the focus of attack. Control of Damietta meant control of the Nile, and from there the crusaders believed they would be able to conquer Egypt. From Egypt they could then attack Palestine and recapture Jerusalem. The port was besieged and occupied by Frisian crusaders in 1219 with the help of Francis of Assisi, but by 1221 the crusaders had been defeated outside Cairo and driven out of Egypt.
Damietta was also the object of the Seventh Crusade, led by Louis IX of France. His fleet arrived there in 1249 and quickly captured the fort, though he refused to hand it over to the nominal king of Jerusalem, to whom it had been promised during the Fifth Crusade. However, Louis too was eventually defeated in Egypt and was forced to give up the city.
Because of its importance to the Crusaders, the Mameluk Sultan Baibars destroyed the city and rebuilt it with stronger fortifications a few kilometres from the river. Today there is a canal connecting it to the Nile, which has made it an important port once again. The modern city has a population of about 1 million.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damietta"

and had issue:
Family 1
Children
Qu24 Hawise de Quincy married Hugh de Vere
(Qu24-1) Robert de Quincey+ d. c 1232 5
Family 2 Margaret d. circa 12 January 1234/35
(Qu24-2) Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester+ b. b 1202, d. 25 Apr 1264 6
Saher de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester gained the title of 1st Earl of Winchester.

Source: http://thepeerage.com/p1290.htm#i12894

The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelled in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci.

The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as "Saer I") was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland. Their marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester.

Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian.

Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert and Orabilis, was thus raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.

The subsequent rise of the Lord of Leuchars to prominence in England came through his marriage to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester and—surely no coincidence—the de Quincys' Fife neighbour, Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews. In 1204, Earl Robert died, leaving Margaret as co-heiress of the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester.

Following his marriage, de Quincy became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England, but he seems to have owed his importance to his personal status and connections rather than any close alliance with King John. One man with whom he does seem to have developed a close personal relationship is his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter, another grandson of Maud of St Liz by her first husband. They are first found together in 1203, as co-commanders of the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy; they were responsible for surrendering the castle without a fight to Philip II of France, fatally weakening the English position in northern France, but although popular opinion seems to have blamed them for the capitulation, a royal writ is extant stating that the castle was surrendered at King John's command, and both Saer and Fitzwalter had to endure personal humiliation and heavy ransoms at the hands of the French.

In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211-12, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion's campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historians have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by John.

In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief negotiators with John; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta. De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the signing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter, travelled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the most committed and prominent supporters of Louis' candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III.

When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade, perhaps in fulfillment of an earlier vow, and in 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Damietta. While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family.

By his wife Margaret de Beaumont he had three sons and a daughter:

Robert (d. 1217). Some sources say he married Hawise, sister and co-heiress of Ranulf de Blundeville, earl of Chester. However, it is more likely Hawise married Saer's brother Robert;
Roger, who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester (though he did not take formal possession of the earldom until after his mother's death);
Robert de Quincy (second son of that name; d. 1257) who married Helen, daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great;
Hawise, who married Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford.
His arms were: Or, a fess gules, in chief a label of seven points azure.

Pedigree from:
http://www.stirnet.com/HTML/genie/british/qr/qzmisc01.htm

Saher de Quency of Buckby = Saier de Quincy of Bushby (d c1157)

m. Maud de St. Liz (d by 1163, dau of Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton)

BE1883 identifies 2 sons of this marriage, Saier and Robert, but identifies Saier as the 1st Earl, showing him as brother rather than son of Robert. We follow TCP.

Saher de Quency (II) (d 1190, justice in Normandy)

m. (1162) Asceline Peverel (d by 1190, dau of Robert Peverel of Bourn)

Saher de Quency (III) (dsp 1192)

Robert de Quency (d before 25.12.1197)

m1. (div) Orable (dau of Nes, son of William of Leuchars)

Saher de Quency (IV) = Saier de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (d 03.11.1219)

§C

m. Margaret Beaumont 'FitzParnell' (d 02.1235, dau of Robert Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester)

Robert de Quincy (dvp 1217)

TCP (Winchester) reports that this Robert dsp but this appears to be in error so, supported by TCP (Lincoln), we follow BE1883 in showing the following family. BE1883 says he had an only daughter (Margaret) but then also mention Mabel.

m. Hawise de Kevliock (dau of Hugh 'Keveliok' de Meschines, 3rd Earl of Chester)

Margaret de Quincy

m1. John de Lacy, 1st Earl of Lincoln (d 1240)

m2. Walter Marshal, 5th Earl of Pembroke (dsp 11.1245)

Mabel de Quincy

m. Hugh Audley

ii.

Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (d 25.04.1264)

m1. Helen of Galloway (d after 21.11.1245, dau of Alan, lord of Galloway)

Margaret de Quincy

m. (by 1238) William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (d 24.03.1254)

Elizabeth de Quincy

m. Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan (d 1289)

Elena (Ela) de Quincy (d 1296)
m. Sir Alan la Zouche of Ashby (d 10.08.1270)

HJY

m2. (before 05.06.1250) Maud de Bohun (dau of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, Earl of Essex, Constable)

Isabell de Quincy

m. Hugh Nevill

m3. (before 05.12.1252) Eleanor Ferrers (dsp by 26.10.1274, dau of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby, by Sibyl Marshal)

iii.

Robert de Quincy (d 1257) apparently had the same name as his eldest brother

TCP mentions a brother John but no Robert. However, TCP (Chester), supported by TCP (Hereford), confirms that Helen of Wales's 2nd husband was Robert, "yst. s. of Saer, Earl of Winchester" and TCP (Wake) confirms him as "yst. br. of Roger, 2nd Earl.

m. Helen of Wales (d 1253, dau of Llewelyn the Great, Prince of North Wales)

Anne de Quincy (nun)

Joane de Quincy (d 25.11.1283)

m. Humphrey de Bohun (the younger)

Margaret (Hawise) de Quincy

HJY

m. Baldwin Wake (d 1282)

HJY

iv.

Hawise de Quincy

HJY

m. Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford (d 1263)

HJY

Loretta de Quincy

m. William de Valoniis of Panmure, Chamberlain of Scotland (d 1219)

vi.

Arabella de Quincy identified in BE1883 (Harcourt)

m. Sir Richard de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt (b c1202, d 1258)

m2. Eve

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Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester1
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Last Edited=12 Jan 2007
Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester was the son of Robert de Quency and Orable (?).2,3 He married Margaret (?), daughter of Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester and Pernel Grandmesnil. He died on 3 November 1219 at Damietta.4
Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester gained the title of 1st Earl of Winchester.
Child of Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret (?)
Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester+ b. b 1202, d. 25 Apr 12645
Children of Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester
Hawise de Quincy+ 1
Robert de Quincey+ d. c 12326
Robert de Quincy, Lord of Ware+ b. b 1227, d. Aug 12577
Citations
[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 196. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 747.
[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 748.
[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 750.
[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 749.
[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VII, page 676.
[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume III, page 169.

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Qu25 Saher de Quincy

Change the two party system
so people against something like abortion
but for something like environmental protection never again get bigger and badder storms
and two bankrupting wars instead.