Gr17 Walter de Greene

    Sir Walter Greene was the son of Sir Walter Grene Gr18 of Bridgnorth,
    This ancient line goes back to the companions of the Conqueror and even much farther to the early Dukes of Britanny and includes a less credible legend of their descent from Emperor Tiberius.
    Walter de Greene
    Born:  about 1384 in Bridgnorth, Shropshire
    Died: 1418
    1st _ de Sancto Ivone d 1400, dau of Adam de Sancto Ivone
    2nd Elizabeth Warner
    As of March 2018 too many generations are missing in the pedigree of Warner of Virginia to even suspect a relationship.
    It is uncertain whether the children are from the first marriage or his second marriage or not from him at all. The authorīs decent from the following Joan Greene is a matter of established pedigrees registered at the College of Arms in London. It also reasonably certain that her father was Walter Greene, but whether he was the same Walter Greene shown among the established descendants of Alexander de Grene is less certain. We are, however, talking about people of the lessor nobility of England on both sides of the uncertain gap, a class comprised of but a few thousand people at any one time, while there were but a handful of people of the name Greene or Grene in this class at all living at any one time, and indeed even fewer named Walter Greene.

    "Guesstimation" as to where odd ends fit into such a "limited edition puzzle" are hence reasonable, provided there is plausibility in time and geography. Unfortunately, the Visitation Pedigrees are often devoid of dates of any kind, and a younger son was regularly married into the estate of a family on the other side of the realm that was about to "daughter out". So the most reliable sources are often devoid of the needed plausibility clues. So the author took up "gusstimating" dates of birth in the visitation pedigrees years ago, cross-checking in pedigrees with known marriage connections to find any kind of time anchor for a spouse in a "timeless tree" for "guesstimating" dates up and down in it. Data from other websites help in filling out the picture, but often a child is found to have been born decades before the parents, so I am "convinced the time machine has been in business for ages." I wish I could get a ticket on it to clear things up! Such careless work often makes me wonder whether anything on the website is credible at all.

    As time goes on, more and more data scraps from the archives are being shown in the Internet about deeds and wills, often dated by the year of the reign of one King or the other, so we can understand why British school children have to memorize the Royal succession and the respective years of the reign. But this is all forgotten by the time they need it for genealogy.

    Gr16 Joan Greene m Wi16 Miles de Windsor, Lord Stanwell b c 1410 d 30 Sep 1451
    Wi15 Thomas de Windsor, Lord Stanwell b c 1440 at Stanwell, Middlesex d by 29 Sep 1485 at Stanwell m Elizabeth Andrews An15
    Gr16-2 Robert Green, ancestor of Presidents W.H. Taft and W. G. Harding
    However, Sir Walter Greene and Elizabeth Warner did have issue:
    Mary or Margaret Grene, who married Sir John Grene of Drayton.
    Gr16-3 Elizabeth GREEN b 1436 m Sir John CATESBY b c 1433, Whiston, Northamptonshire d 3 Nov 1486, 8 leagues from London Buried: Abbey of St. James, Northampton Justice of the common pleas son of Edmund Catesby of Whiston
    Gr16-3-1 Francis CATESBY b c 1450
    Gr16-3-2 Sir Humphrey CATESBY b c 1450 m1 Joan MARRIOT c 1478/9, Northamptonshire
    Gr16-3-2-1 Thomas CATESBY b c 1479
    Gr16-3-2-2 Anne CATESBY b c 1480 Whiston m Thomas Tyringham
    Gr16-3-2-3 Anthony CATESBY of Whiston b c 1490 Whiston d 10 Oct 1553/4 m1 Isabel Wilburga Pigott b c 1502 dau of Thomas Pigott and Agnes Forster
    Gr16-3-2-3-1 Eleanor CATESBY b c 1521 WhistSon d 27 May 1546 m 1534 John Tresham of Rushton
    Gr16-3-2-3-1-1 Mary TRESHAM Baroness Vaux of Harrowden b c 1535
    Gr16-3-2-3-1-2 William TRESHAM
    Gr16-3-2-3-1-3 Isabel TRESHAM m c 1538/?48 Thomas Catesby
    Gr16-3-2-3-1-4 y TRESHAM
    Gr16-3-2-3-1-5 Sir Thomas TRESHAM
    Gr16-3-2-3-2 Wilburga CATESBY b 1528 Whiston d 1558 m1 c 1545 in Roxwell Northampton Richard Jenoir/Gennor Esq m2 1549 Richard Weston
    Gr16-3-2-3-2-1 Sir Jerome WESTON b c 1446
    Gr16-3-2-3-2-2 Amphillia WESTON b c 1448
    Gr16-3-2-3-3 x CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4 Thomas CATESBY b c 1527 m c 1538/?48 Isabel Tresham
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1 Thomas Catesby b c 1540 Whiston d 30 May 1592 m Jane Norton
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-1 Catherine Catesby
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2 George Catesby b 1575 d 1645 m1 c 1598 in Hamerton Huntingdonshire Bridget Bedell + 9 ch (?of Zouche descent?) m2 27 Jun 1639 in Hardwick Margery Stevens
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-1 Mary CATESBY bap 1599 Acton Northampton m 14 Jul 1625 Thomas Say
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-2 Maud CATESBY bap 1600 Acton m 4 Sep 1621 William Churchman
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-3 Bridget CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-4 Hanna CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-5 Susan CATESBY bap 1603 Acton m 26 Dec 1633
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-6 Francis CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7 Clifton CATESBY b 1606 Acton d c 1644 Oxford m c 1625 Mary Bedford
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-1 x CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-2 Margaret CATESBY b c 1625
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-3 Susan CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-4 William CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-5 George CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-6 Thomas CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-7 Bridget CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-8 John CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-9 Anthony CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-10 Anne CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-11 Abigail CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-7-12 Elizabeth CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-8 Thomas CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-1-2-9 Zouche CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2 Mary Catesby m Christopher Yelverton b c 1537 d c 1607 son of William Yelverton and Anne Fermor
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-1 Henry YELVERTON of Easton Mauduit d 24.01.1629-30, attorney general m Margaret Beale dau of Robert Beale
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-2. Christopher YELVERTON, 1st Bart of Easton Mauduit d 04.12.1654 m 1630 Anne Twisden dau of Sir William Twisden, Bart
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-2-1 Sir Henry Yelverton, 2nd Bart of Easton Mauduit bpt 06.07.1633, d 30.10.1670 m Susan Longueville, Baroness Grey de Ruthyn d 28.01.1676, dau of Charles Longueville, Lord Grey de Ruthyn
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-2-2 Anne YELVERTON b c 1635 d 21.07.1698 m1 27.06.1655 Robert Montagu, 3rd Earl of Manchester b 25.04.1634, d 14.03.1682 m2 before 12.05.1688 Charles Montagu, 1st Lord Halifax, Earl of Halifax b 16.04.1661, dsp 19.05.1715
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-3. Elizabeth YELVERTON
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-4. Catherine YELVERTON
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-5. Anne YELVERTON
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-6. Mary YELVERTON
    Gr16-3-2-3-4-2-7. Judith YELVERTON
    Gr16-3-2-3-5 Francis CATESBY
    Gr16-3-2-3-6 Dorothy CATESBY b c 1527 Whiston d 30 Sep 1613 bur Win Church Bucks m1 c 1552 Sir William Dormer m2 Sir William Pelham
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-1 Catherine DORMER m B. Bletsoe
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-2 Mary DORMER
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-3 Robert DORMER 1š B. Dormer of Wing
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-4 Margaret DORMER
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-5 Richard DORMER
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-6 Francis DORMER
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-7 Anne DORMER
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-8 Peregrine DORMER
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-9 Peregrine PELHAM
    Gr16-3-2-3-6-10 Anne PELHAM
    Gr16-3-3 Eusebius CATESBY b c 1458
    Gr16-3-4 Walter CATESBY b c 1460
    Gr16-3-5 John CATESBY b c 1461
    Gr16-3-6 George CATESBY b c 1463
    Gr16-3-7 Hugh CATESBY b c 1465
    Gr16-3-8 Elizabeth CATESBY b c 1465
    Gr16-3-9 Anne CATESBY b c 1467
    Gr16-3-10 Anthony CATESBY b c 1470


    (Improbable father or grandfather of Joan Greene may have been
    John Greene was the son of Thomas de Greene (Gr18) and Ela Malory-[18254] (Alice de Driby129, Amy (Joan) de Gaveston104, Margaret de Clare90, Joan of Acre78, King Edward I Plantagenet "Longshanks"72, King Henry III Plantagenet69, King John Plantagenet "Lackland"66, King Henry II Plantagenet "Curtmantle"52, Queen Matilda Adelaide of England45, Henry I (King)21, William I "the Conqueror" (King)11, Robert I "The Magnificent" (Duke)6, Richard "the Good" II (Duke)3, Richard I "The Fearless" (Duke)2, William I "Longsword" (Duke)1).

    Stirnet Greene Pedigree