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Gloucester, Pitres

: Roger de Pitres of Gloucester, Ralph de Waer of Norfolk & Suffolk, Early Earls of Salisbury
Gl30=29=28 Roger de Pitres, Sheriff of Gloucester a 1066
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Gl29=28=27. Walter FitzRoger, Constable & Sheriff of Gloucester b c1065, d c1127
Gl28=27=26 Milo de Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford, Constable of England d 24.12.1143
m. 1121 Sybil de Neufmarche dau of Bernard de Newmarch of Brecknock
Gl27-1 Roger of Gloucester, 2nd Earl of Hereford d 1155
m. by 05.1138 Cecily dau of Payn FitzJohn of Ewyas, Sheriff of Hereford and Salop
Roger opposed King Henry II and his title was forfeited. Possibly illegitimate were ...
a. Walter of Hereford, lord of Abergavenny and Brecknock
b. Henry of Hereford, lord of Abergavenny and Brecknock
Gl27-2 Mahel of Hereford, lord of Abergavenny and Brecknock
Gl27 Margery de Gloucester
m. Humphrey de Bohun d 06.04.1187, Steward to King Henry I of England
Gl27=26=25 Bertha of Gloucester
HJY
An article in Genealogist's Magazine 03.2005 implies that Bertha's mother may have been by an earlier marriage of her father. TCP Hereford makes no mention of an earlier marriage.
m. William de Braose of Brecknock
HJY
Gl27-5 Lucy of Gloucester
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m. Herbert FitzHerbert of Winchester, Lord Chamberlain temp King Stephen 1135-1154
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Gl28-2 Maud of Gloucester
HJY
m. Richard FitzPons of Cantref Bychan
HJY
Ralph de Waer or Guader or Wayer, also known as de Gael, 'the Staller', 1st Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk b by 1041, d c1069
BE1883 reports that there was only 1 Earl who conspired against the King, fled into exile, and forfeited the title. BE1883 also reports that that Earl was the father of Ralph, Alan and also Amicia who married Robert, Earl of Leicester. We follow TCP which shows additional generations.
1. Ralph de Gael or de Waer, 2nd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk
m. 1075 Emma FitzOsborne dau of William FitzOsbern, 1st Earl of Hereford
A. William of Breteuil
B. Ralph of Breteuil
i. Alice or Amicie de Waer
HJRY
m. c1120 Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester, Viceroy of England b 1104, d 05.04.1168
HJRY
C. Allan
2. Hardwin
TCP Salisbury starts this family with the following Edward and reports that, whilst some sources say he was son of Walter 'le Ewrus', Earl of Rosmar, that Walter was actually "a fictitious person" and Edward's parentage is unknown. TCP reports: "The nickname "le Ewrus" = l'heureux, or the fortunate was converted into "de Evreux" by later writers, with the result that the family has been given the name Devereux and has been tacked on to the Norman Counts of Evreux." But the father of the Humphrey de Bohun below was a close neighbor of the d'Evereux family in Normandy before 1066, so there is a certain probability of the connection.
De29.Edward of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire b before 1060, a 1120§T§
m. Matilda FitzHubert
De28=Fi27.=26 Walter of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire d 1147
m. Sibilla de Chaworth dau of Patrick de Chaworth or Chaources by Maud, dau of Ernulf de Hesdin
Fi26-1 William of Salisbury dsp
Fi26 Patrick FitzWalter, 1st Earl of Salisbury d c07.04.1168
m1. Maud
m2. 1152 Ala Ela Talvas d 04.10.1174, dau of William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu
Fi25 William FitzPatrick, 2nd Earl of Salisbury d 1196
m. Alianore de Vitrei d before 12.08.1233, dau of Robert de Vitre of Tilliers
Fi24 Ela Fitzpatrick b 1187, d 24.08.1261
HJY
m. 1196 William Plantagenet, 'Longespee', 1st Earl of Salisbury b 17.08.1152, d 04.03.1226
HJY
Fi26-3 Walter of Salisbury canon of Bradenstoke
Fi26=25 Sibyl of Salisbury
HJRY
m. John FitzGilbert Mareschal d 1165
HJRY
De28 Maud of Salisbury or Saresbury
m. Humphrey de Bohun

Sources:
1 For family of Gloucester: TCP Hereford + cross-references eg in BE1883.
2 For family de Wayer: TCP Norfolk, BE1883 Wayer of Norfolk and Suffolk.
3 For Earls of Salisbury: BE1883 D'Evereux of Salisbury, TCP Salisbury.
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